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Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#181
We don't have this problem in Singapore.

https://www.dnc.gov.sg/index.html

We have this do not call list. Once added, calls, texts, etc, drop to like nothing. Infact I cannot remember the last time I had a call... I get the occasional text message but it's mostly shops telling me to use my store points before a certain date. A reminder.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#183

It’s not clear to me why Apple can’t have a Mark as Spam button for calls. Once you hit a critical mass from independent iPhones you simply block that number.

They’re spoofing the numbers so that would likely cause apple to blacklist numbers belonging to innocent people.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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post #150

The other problem is with using third party navigational apps. While driving the phone app takes up the whole screen completely obscuring the directions. My wife constantly rejects calls because of this and I can’t talk to her!

You can switch apps while in a call.

Hurtling down the interstate at 70+ mph and I also tend to mash the big red button when I get a call and need my direction.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#185
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There already is a proposed technological solution to this: https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/stir-and-shaken-overview/ The FCC has recently "demanded" US telecoms to implement this [0], but at this point I don't believe there is actually a regulatory requirement to do so. [0] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-354933A1.pdf

How about people in your contact list get to call and text you for free and everyone else has to pay 10 cents? Telecoms definitely have the tech to do such billing. They could even take a cut. 9 cents for me and 1 cent for the telecom. This would solve almost all spam immediately and would be a long term solution.

This is my favorite solution. Time is money, if a caller is willing to pay me for it, I'd be ok with it. Make spam directly uneconomical, and spin the customer/vendor/3rd-party dynamic back to where it's supposed to be.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use an app called Should I Answer? It uses crowd sourcing to collect robocalling numbers. My phone doesn't even ring for most of the robocalls now, and the ones it misses, I can add to their database so others won't get them.

I've literally been robocalled from my own number before. I don't think this would work

back in the 2000s, you used to be able to get into most peoples' voicemail by calling someone's phone with it's spoofed number. Lots of people didn't use voicemail passwords.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#187
post #18

Isn't this exactly what Android already does?

Yes, Android has improved on this front.

It now treats incoming calls and voicemails basically like any notification and ongoing calls like any other app with an active notification.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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post #108
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There already is a proposed technological solution to this: https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/stir-and-shaken-overview/ The FCC has recently "demanded" US telecoms to implement this [0], but at this point I don't believe there is actually a regulatory requirement to do so. [0] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-354933A1.pdf

I prefer an economic solution. Currently, you can sue a robocaller under the TCPA, but good luck collecting. Make each carrier liable for judgments against robocallers routed through their network. So, if I sue John Doe for robocalling me and I can’t collect, and I’m a Verizon customer, the make Verizon liable for those damages. This should come with some limits, but they should be large (say 10% of nationwide annual…

i bet that instead, you'd just get a new contract in which verizon decided that it was only free to talk to other verizon numbers, and would require you to pay extra to call outside the network. Then, they'd ask you to provide a birth certificate, SSN, CC number, and pay via direct deposit to have an account. if you want to penalize rob dialers, don't penalize companies that are not robodialing, or push the burden of law enforcement on them.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#189

We don't have this problem in Singapore. https://www.dnc.gov.sg/index.html We have this do not call list. Once added, calls, texts, etc, drop to like nothing. Infact I cannot remember the last time I had a call... I get the occasional text message but it's mostly shops telling me to use my store points before a certain date. A reminder.

We have one of those in the US, but most (99%) of the automated calls I receive are not from legitimate enterprises.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#190
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There already is a proposed technological solution to this: https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/stir-and-shaken-overview/ The FCC has recently "demanded" US telecoms to implement this [0], but at this point I don't believe there is actually a regulatory requirement to do so. [0] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-354933A1.pdf

How about people in your contact list get to call and text you for free and everyone else has to pay 10 cents? Telecoms definitely have the tech to do such billing. They could even take a cut. 9 cents for me and 1 cent for the telecom. This would solve almost all spam immediately and would be a long term solution.

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