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Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Post by ryanlol »

asabjorn wrote: post #139
ryanlol wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Context doesnt matter if you risk bringing negative publicity to Patreon, which will directly affect their payment processing rates.

We are here talking about some hypothetical negative publicity. The outrage about what Sargon said is rather contrived and I suspect most of it is an act.

It just doesn't make sense for patreon to care about whether this outrage is contrived or not, any negative publicity over their customers could hurt their margins a lot.

Payment processing is hard. I'm not saying it should be so, but Patreon isn't to blame for that.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Post by weberc2 »

joshuamorton wrote: post #133
weberc2 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like policing speech is a bad precedent to set, and even if you don’t think it’s a slippery slope, how do we make sure the government’s definition of the phrase is/remains reasonable? Ideally the extreme left wing will be marginalized (i.e., no more dominating universities and newsrooms or tech companies) just like we marginalized right wing extremists.

Part of the problem may be that you're off the opinion that tech companies are the extreme left. I've met people on the extreme left, they're not average Facebook or Google employees. No one on mainstream TV is "extreme" left. You have to get to theyoungturks or chapotraphouse. (And these are marginalized, given that you've probable maybe heard of Cenk and TYT, but CTH is a podcast and subreddit and nothing else). If…

Let me set the record straight so you don’t have to guess about whether I’m conflating far left and center left:

1. I’m a moderate liberal by every measure.

2. I don’t view CNN as far left; while it is shamefully partisan, no more so than Fox News.

3. I don’t want the government to censor anyone, I’m more or less a free speech absolutist.

4. I don’t think tech companies in general are far-left; only that a handful appear to contain a sufficiently powerful contingent of far left ideologues who feel comfortable using their company to suppress dissent (social media platforms censoring moderate liberal and conservative viewpoints, Google firing Damore under patently false pretenses, Mozilla pushing out Eich, etc).

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

smsm42 wrote: post #128
beerbajay wrote: post #103

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Oh come on, they have a ToS like all other companies. It's not "censorship" to not do business with someone. Also, "the right" here is people like Milo and Lauren Southern who are out in the real world causing harm.

It is most definitely censorship. It is not state censorship, and it is not prohibited by the law, but it's definitely an activity targeted to suppress expression of ideas Patreon censors do not like, and it is clearly fitting every reasonable definition of censorship. The fact that it's not state censorship and thus not aided by state repressive apparatus makes it less abhorrent, but still harmful enough. Especially…

Again: these are private businesses, free to do business (or not) with whomever they choose, for completely arbitrary reasons.

If you want to fight that, you have to fight capitalism.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

thatoneuser wrote: post #116
asabjorn wrote: post #64

Patreon has been on a spree to ban people that think the wrong way. Matt Christiansen had a call [1] with Patreon to discuss their banning of Sargon of Akkad. Sargon was notified of the banning by his patrons, not Patreon, and had no recourse to challenge the decision. In the call Patreon made it clear that their platform is; 1) explicitly anti free-speech 2) is not a free market (they can ban you for arbitrary reaso…

Man stifling people who think “the wrong way” is pretty horrifying to me at the moment. I’ve largely separated myself from leftist ideals in the last couple years because, with very little hyperbole, I’ve noticed that the time to be labeled a racist or Hitler is way the hell too small. Don’t get me wrong - racists are not something I tolerate in my personal life. Not at all. There’s no need for that kind of crap in o…

"What if we just oppress and persecute minorities a little bit?" is not a valid argument. The truth isn't in the middle, as centrists hopelessly seem to believe.

If you want to fight corporate control over speech, you have to fight against capitalism.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

blhack wrote: post #110
asabjorn wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More likely this is what happens when you create a trust and safety department run by ideologues that censor according to some elusive concept of “hate speech”. Who defines hate? Ideologues should at least not

To anybody doubting the absurdity we're talking about here: These people ( https://twitter.com/RevLeftRadio ) still have an active patreon.

Why is that so absurd? They have a strong left-wing viewpoint, heavy on solidarity and anti-capitalist/anti-fascist thought.

I see no racism not calling for enforced monogamy or the taking of rights away from trans people or minorities, or anything of the sort.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Post by asabjorn »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #155
blhack wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To anybody doubting the absurdity we're talking about here: These people ( https://twitter.com/RevLeftRadio ) still have an active patreon.

Why is that so absurd? They have a strong left-wing viewpoint, heavy on solidarity and anti-capitalist/anti-fascist thought. I see no racism not calling for enforced monogamy or the taking of rights away from trans people or minorities, or anything of the sort.

I see abundant racism and sexism on patreon of the kind popular of the American left.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Post by asabjorn »

ryanlol wrote: post #151
asabjorn wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are here talking about some hypothetical negative publicity. The outrage about what Sargon said is rather contrived and I suspect most of it is an act.

It just doesn't make sense for patreon to care about whether this outrage is contrived or not, any negative publicity over their customers could hurt their margins a lot. Payment processing is hard. I'm not saying it should be so, but Patreon isn't to blame for that.

More than what the outrage over the censorship of other viewpoints are? To me what they are doing seems more like an act of faith in social justice that is most likely really bad for their business

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Post by asabjorn »

blhack wrote: post #140
ryanlol wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you name some of these domestic terrorists with Patreon accounts?

https://www.patreon.com/intlantifadefence https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/worl... https://www.patreon.com/chapotraphouse https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/9k14nf/why_... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence

Have you tried reporting these to them? Is there somewhere where these are documented together with the response from their trust and safety team?

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Post by xte »

weberc2 wrote: post #152
joshuamorton wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the problem may be that you're off the opinion that tech companies are the extreme left. I've met people on the extreme left, they're not average Facebook or Google employees. No one on mainstream TV is "extreme" left. You have to get to theyoungturks or chapotraphouse. (And these are marginalized, given that you've probable maybe heard of Cenk and TYT, but CTH is a podcast and subreddit and nothing else). If…

Let me set the record straight so you don’t have to guess about whether I’m conflating far left and center left: 1. I’m a moderate liberal by every measure. 2. I don’t view CNN as far left; while it is shamefully partisan, no more so than Fox News. 3. I don’t want the government to censor anyone, I’m more or less a free speech absolutist. 4. I don’t think tech companies in general are far-left; only that a handful ap…

A small intervention: to my (western) European eyes saying that CNN is far left or even saying that far left exists in the USA is a fascist affirmation...

That's to add a different "relative" measure.

Apart of that far left and far right are essentially the SAME, their "lower labor force" are fanatic people used as a weapon/Ford models workers by the very same "sponsors" who want dictatorship instead of free society.

If you read about or know someone who have visited both Franco's Spain and Chernenko's Soviet Union you will see that they are equally oppressive and use essentially the very same language, only with a little color variation in flags.

Do not forget that Lenin was massively financed by Kaiser's Germany, Stalin by UK crown etc just to stop socialism transforming it in a dictatorial regime with same symbols, not different by the hitler financing by German élites against socialism in Germany, mussolini financed by UK crown against a socialist Italy etc.

"left" is socialism, "center" is liberalism, the rest are only a grayscale of dictatorship movements disguised in various ways.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Post by joshuamorton »

weberc2 wrote: post #152
joshuamorton wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the problem may be that you're off the opinion that tech companies are the extreme left. I've met people on the extreme left, they're not average Facebook or Google employees. No one on mainstream TV is "extreme" left. You have to get to theyoungturks or chapotraphouse. (And these are marginalized, given that you've probable maybe heard of Cenk and TYT, but CTH is a podcast and subreddit and nothing else). If…

Let me set the record straight so you don’t have to guess about whether I’m conflating far left and center left: 1. I’m a moderate liberal by every measure. 2. I don’t view CNN as far left; while it is shamefully partisan, no more so than Fox News. 3. I don’t want the government to censor anyone, I’m more or less a free speech absolutist. 4. I don’t think tech companies in general are far-left; only that a handful ap…

Then why did you originally claim it was dominating universities, tech companies, and the newsroom?

Those things are maybe left of center under some metrics, but not far left, and certainly not extremely far left, so why claim that?

Again, if you're now going to claim that the people like Sargon and Milo and co being censored are moderate liberals, I'm gonna say that you're just patently incorrect, and your left-right scale is broken. That you equivocate fox and CNN only cements this. Compare morning Joe (one of the most partisan shows on CNN) to Hannity or Carlson, and there really isn't a comparison.

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