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Patreon has been on a spree to ban people that think the wrong way. Matt Christiansen had a call [1] with Patreon to discuss their banning of Sargon of Akkad. Sargon was notified of the banning by his patrons, not Patreon, and had no recourse to challenge the decision. In the call Patreon made it clear that their platform is; 1) explicitly anti free-speech 2) is not a free market (they can ban you for arbitrary reaso…
Patreon has been on a spree to ban people that think the wrong way. Matt Christiansen had a call [1] with Patreon to discuss their banning of Sargon of Akkad. Sargon was notified of the banning by his patrons, not Patreon, and had no recourse to challenge the decision. In the call Patreon made it clear that their platform is; 1) explicitly anti free-speech 2) is not a free market (they can ban you for arbitrary reaso…
Patreon has been on a spree to ban people that think the wrong way. Matt Christiansen had a call [1] with Patreon to discuss their banning of Sargon of Akkad. Sargon was notified of the banning by his patrons, not Patreon, and had no recourse to challenge the decision. In the call Patreon made it clear that their platform is; 1) explicitly anti free-speech 2) is not a free market (they can ban you for arbitrary reaso…
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Banks specifically DON'T want you doing that because they don't want undesirable businesses funneling money in and out of their banks Not sure I understand this objection - the recipient of such a transfer would already have to have an account at another bank, and that bank would have to do the full AML/KYC checks anyway. There should be no issues with someone with an account at reputable bank A sending a regular pay…
Banks don't necessarily trust each other and "I thought the other guy did KYC/AML" isn't a defense when the Feds show up.
Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. Effectively every utility implements what patron provides. It's essentially just scheduling recurring payments, with a discussion forum attached. More behavior like what we've been seeing Patreon do lately, and I can see larger creators shifting to hosing their own patronage services. Essentially the same reason why EA, Blizzard, and even more niche game pub…
It's pretty trivial to set up a Stripe account and take payments directly. It's simple to set up if you're a beginner dev, and there are lots of plugins for Wordpress, etc. I don't even know why anybody would use something like Patreon. I'd rather give directly than to some 3rd party who's going to take a cut (yes, I'm aware of Stripe processing fees like any other cc processor would charge).
Patreon is very likely on mandatory US Holiday today. By the time they read this thread on Wednesday, it will be far too late for them to fend off the mob. They deserve one business day to reply, and they won't have had that until Wednesday at the _earliest_. Be kind. EDIT: If your reply is "they should reply 24/7/365", ask yourself whether it makes financial sense to staff a support team on Christmas at triple-overt…
I get your point that most businesses are closed but I didn't know it was mandatory or required triple pay. Is that true? Disneyland is open on Christmas. Most movie theaters are open on Christmas. I think most convenience stores, many groceries stores, and most gas stations are open on Christmas.
No, neither of those things is true. Triple pay would be very odd under any circumstances.
Patreon is very likely on mandatory US Holiday today. By the time they read this thread on Wednesday, it will be far too late for them to fend off the mob. They deserve one business day to reply, and they won't have had that until Wednesday at the _earliest_. Be kind. EDIT: If your reply is "they should reply 24/7/365", ask yourself whether it makes financial sense to staff a support team on Christmas at triple-overt…
... to ban people just before you go on holiday, you mean? Where's the kindness in that? How about a business day of fair warning and letting a person react before you ban them as a Christmas present?
Why be "kind" to companies that never really own their shit, are ultimately not accountable at all, who offer weasel words to add some insult to injury? That's the track record.
I made my mind up based on other things, anyway: We need payment processors and platforms using them that ONLY respect the law. Not even accepting user reports, maybe with a button to let users report things to the local police. Not anonymously of course, so said police can deal with repeated nonsensical complaints like they would if you abuse calling 911, how about that?
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and from what I can tell, the problem is anonymous reports. Let's get some "right to face your accuser" in there, on top of the accuser having to go to the police in the first place, and I bet you, 99.9% of it would clear up right then and there.
Patreon doesn't want that, so what else is there for them to say? Let them change or let us make and flock to platforms that respect us, period. And let us support those who discern more carefully what systems and companies to use and normalize, and what lines to draw.
If that means I have to accept that my neighbour on such a platform might be a racist, as long as they don't do anything illegal, just as something what they are, a bias they have, then I can live with that. Just like I can live in a big city, without freaking out all the time. What a crazy concept. I don't want to convince the people who can't fathom it, I want to build things with those who can.
I'm sick to have dozens of landlord who mostly are little children that don't speak English but just string words together without meaning, and only respond to the guttural sounds of groups of other children. Would you go to a supermarket where the cashier can simply deny some items to some customers, on a case-by-case basis, based on other customers booing and blocking the transaction -- instead of security and nobody else dealing with those who try to interfere? It's time for the web to grow up. Being oh so different isn't any good when it means regression.
I was actually planning to go on Patreon soon-ish, but after seeing the Matt Christiansen video about the PR rep phone call, I'm seriously re-considering that. That is, I'll have to come up with other stuff, and then at most go on Patreon as a bonus, an afterthought, that's for sure.
There's nothing to reconsider. They can still change, they can do that any day. But until that happens, there's just 3 reason to be on Patreon:
1.) not having found an alternative
2.) not being aware
3.) being okay with others getting censored nilly-willy, and lending power to mobs
Move people who are at #2 to #1, and don't waste time and money on those who stick with #3.
I'd say the one clear indictment here is Patreon's absolute shit communications. Traditional companies have a phone number you can call to talk to a human and sort everything out, but that seems to have gone the way of the Dodo, replaced with a way less effective but cheaper solution.
Now think REALLY well about our future, especially imaging at actual trend a future with a banking system lead by big of IT instead of banks and of course usable only via proprietary services.
Think about the past when we have bankbooks with any transaction written and signed by the bank in our hand vs today when we only have to relay on bank's servers itself. Think about how you can pay with physical money and how you need to pay with electronic one, especially observe the hard dependencies that both systems have.
Add to the soup the fact that power corrupt and interdependence force cooperation instead of wars.
Add to the soup the fact that in the past knowledge generally used to be in universities, so in public hand while now it's mostly in super-big-corps secret hands.
Add to the soup the fact that when we totally depend on something, including basic things like food supply/production/distribution there is no need of strong power to create a dictatorship simply because people can't live without the product of de-facto "dictator"...
Patreon has been on a spree to ban people that think the wrong way. Matt Christiansen had a call [1] with Patreon to discuss their banning of Sargon of Akkad. Sargon was notified of the banning by his patrons, not Patreon, and had no recourse to challenge the decision. In the call Patreon made it clear that their platform is; 1) explicitly anti free-speech 2) is not a free market (they can ban you for arbitrary reaso…
I wonder if this has to do with the Kushners (Thrive Capital) leading their latest funding round