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Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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His experience may be extreme but, sorry to say, the UK is like that in many subtle ways. Try living in the Home counties with a northern accent, for example, and see how you fare.

'Northerner terrifies Londoners by saying "Hello"' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT0ay9u1gg4

What a silly man.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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The best way to discourage its use at this point is via the courts. Declare facial recognition inadmissible, and its use will drop off. Not a fan of bench legislation, but keeping this out of widespread use is really, really important.

Declare facial recognition inadmissible, and its use will drop off. The police are well aware of this, and consequently won't use facial recognition data as evidence in criminal cases. That won't stop them using the data to knock on the doors of every person who matched (for some level of confidence) a given facial profile though.

Are they now legally allowed to use a facial recognition match as grounds for reasonable suspicion?

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Gdpr is for persons in the union, not citizens, and especially not citizens while abroad.

I'm confused by this comment. Can you clarify?

The gdpr applies to anyone or any company inside the European Union. It does not apply only to citizens of the EU, and does not apply to them in dealings with foreign companies _while abroad_.

The main exception is companies abroad who specifically make an effort to deal with those in the EU. This is why companies have begun blocking eu traffic as it's not clear exactly what that means. The recitals and most other interpretations lead one to believe you would need to specifically advertise or otherwise target those in the EU, but again, it hasn't been hashed out in court.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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I'm confused by this comment. Can you clarify?

The gdpr applies to anyone or any company inside the European Union. It does not apply only to citizens of the EU, and does not apply to them in dealings with foreign companies _while abroad_. The main exception is companies abroad who specifically make an effort to deal with those in the EU. This is why companies have begun blocking eu traffic as it's not clear exactly what that means. The recitals and most other in…

> does not apply to them in dealings with foreign companies _while abroad_

Of course, if you're defining "foreign companies" as "companies who have no dealings with EU citizens", the GDPR doesn't apply.

> The gdpr applies to anyone or any company inside the European Union.

I believe this should be "anyone or any company which has dealings with anyone inside the European Union", no? Which is quite the difference.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Do you think that anyone could run SQL queries on that database? Only government people will have access to it, the politicians can add a new law to exclude themselves from the database searches.

No, but it doesn't matter: trivial and quick to make your own database, and with cellphone cams getting better and better, it'll be more and more accurate and good luck detecting someone doing this.

I do not understand how citizens can benefit by the government installing cameras and face recognition software?

Can you explain in more detail what do you mean? I hope you do not suggest citizens install also cameras and put the videos on the web, then we have private companies and citizens tracking us not only the government. And I assume when a minister receives a bribe he will not be meeting with the person in a public place.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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The gdpr applies to anyone or any company inside the European Union. It does not apply only to citizens of the EU, and does not apply to them in dealings with foreign companies _while abroad_. The main exception is companies abroad who specifically make an effort to deal with those in the EU. This is why companies have begun blocking eu traffic as it's not clear exactly what that means. The recitals and most other in…

> does not apply to them in dealings with foreign companies _while abroad_ Of course, if you're defining "foreign companies" as "companies who have no dealings with EU citizens", the GDPR doesn't apply. > The gdpr applies to anyone or any company inside the European Union. I believe this should be "anyone or any company which has dealings with anyone inside the European Union", no? Which is quite the difference.

> anyone or any company which has dealings with anyone inside the European Union

That is incorrect and was the subject of the last paragraph of my previous message.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Plastic surgery might remain legal, but you would likely be required to submit before and after photos. Making it pointless.

If the tech reaches the point where you can do it at home, that won't matter.

You can trivially build banned (some places;) inanimate objects at home, but that does not stop legislators from making those that do criminals. You didnt update FaceRegistry? That's a felony, and another felony for modding your 3d faceprinter to break the FR DRM.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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What "social credit" system does the UK have? We don't even have identity cards...

We have driving licences and passports which are used as such. Not compulsory but pretty much essential unless you want to live off the grid for all your life.

In Australia they can revoke your driver's license for various unrelated issues. Regularly happens over unpaid fines.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Maybe gp is referring to the extremely classist nature of UK culture? One of my best friends who got his Bachelors in the US but then did his masters at Cambridge explained to me that egalitarianism basically doesn't exist in reality there. They denied him his application for PhD, while the professor who read it stole his idea and made it his own... and this was to a dual American/British citizen. When I visited, I w…

> for example, imsi catching in The City stole my GPS signal for a few hours at one point I'm going to need an explanation of how you think GPS signals are mediated by an IMSI catcher, because they aren't. Maybe you're thinking of the A-GPS information that cellular providers typically send? Missing that won't harm anyone's GPS, it will just take a bit longer for a first fix.

I don't know how it was done, but after walking past The City Police HQ, my GPS for hours showed I was there. this is after phone reboots, etc. Unfortunately I wasn't on a rooted android (iPhone 6+ at the time) so I couldn't verify.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Not a single comment on who developed this for the Met (http://news.met.police.uk/news/facial-recognition-technology...), but the second link (https://www.met.police.uk/live-facial-recognition-trial/) actually gives us a name: NEC NeoFace which was used in Dallas airport in July 2017: https://dallasinnovates.com/necs-neoface-tech-tested-u-s-air...
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