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Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Why would anyone work there if this is the case? I agree that Tesla cars are very futuristic, but glory all goes to the company and Elon. Do employee get like a huge bonus or something if they survived long enough? There's got be a reason this article is not mentioning.

The entire Mars, gonna save the world shtick? It's a recruitment ploy. Most of his claims don't hold up to closer scrutiny, but it's aimed at young tech professionals who _really want_ for their job to make sense, so much, that they're willing to overlook both the evidence it might not _and_ the bad quality of a job offer, just to hook themselves to someone who has a "bright vision." Truth is, much of tech nowadays d…

It might not be a poly, Elon probably sincere about that. It doesn't change the fact that it's terrible working for someone treat his employees like that. I think probably it's a strategic thing. I have given it some thoughts, it probably works somewhat like this.

Mars, well, Elon is a recruitment tool. So, recruiting talents hasn't been an issue for Tesla. There is a natural turnover rate for technical staff either case. Elon figures so long his metrics is okay, everything will be fine, which is "incoming talents ~= outgoing talents" (adjust the operator as company expand or reduction). So far the company has expanded too fast, so Elon let his ego take over to abuse at will. Also probably due to stress, etc. I called "controlled let go." (both the employees and his self control) Haha.

Of course this is just speculation.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Well, you can also quit for any reason, at any time. Sure, I know that in most cases the employer has more power than the employee, but what's the reasonable alternative? If I run a business and I can't afford you, then I have to continue employing you to the detriment of the rest of the business? One of the guys who reports to me just turned in his 2 weeks notice completely out of the blue. It puts me in a bind beca…

The alternative is something like 3 months notice guaranteed by law after 3 months of employment. This benefits both parties as it’s very problematic to loose employees on projects without any warning.

Sure, but my point is that as an employee I like knowing I can leave at any time I want. I consider having that freedom a reasonable price to pay for my employer being able to let me go at any time they want.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Doesn’t hold up? What other company is there is making a bigger impact pushing us to electrify? And the “Mars is a conspiracy” is just not true. Musk can be sincere in his motivations while still not being pleasant to work with.

> Doesn’t hold up? What other company is there is making a bigger impact pushing us to electrify? Zurich public transport, every single train company. Claiming electric personal cars are a solution to anything is a joke. > And the “Mars is a conspiracy” is just not true. Musk can be sincere in his motivations while still not being pleasant to work with. I'm sure he's sincere about colonising Mars. It's just that it's…

If I were the dictator and could force everybody to do as I say tge world would be so much better.

You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars.

And you can believe about mars whatever you want. Even if collonisation doesnt happen, getting to mars alone is already a huge achievment. Just the tech the have done so far has been a huge achievment.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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I wish more people realised the truth behind the PR construction that is Elon Musk and stop calling him an 'inventor' and 'engineer'. He is neither. He got lucky a few times and has somehow managed to persuade people that he 'invented' Paypal (he didn't - and was in fact sacked when X.com was bought), that he 'invented' the electric car (nope, the Victorians did that), that he 'invented' the Hyperloop (again, the Vic…

Most of the things you claim that he says he never did say. The idea that he claims that he invented the electric car or reusable rockets is utter nonsense and you will not find one quote that makes that statment.

Claiming that he is not an engineer is just more nonsense. He is the chief engineer of the falcon rocket and many people inside and outside of SpaceX have said to be highly impressed with what he does.

If you don't like Elon that is fine, but this post is just nonsense.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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I've not read a positive article about Elon Musk for a while now. Why would anyone want to work in places like this?

Probebly because media articels are not representative of most of what happens. And the difference between a job at a Musk company and at comparable job in a different company is far smaller then it is claimed.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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What is stopping the non-asshole savants from succeeding now? Would a lack of competition improve things further? And of course who decides who is an asshole and making sure they aren't the biggest one of all. Also one is dealing with far ends of the bell curve by definition - there may not be a replacement with every desired trait. Overfiltering on the irrelevant is the action of literal historical losers like tryin…

Why do you think the non-asshole savants aren't succeeding?

I think they are but they are also rarer although certainly not impossible.

Part of it might be the "unreasonable man" effect based upon the Shaw quote paraphrased as "A reasonable man adapts to the world while the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself - therefore all hope of progress rests upon the unreasonable man.

Essentially making advances ahead of everyone else requires disregarding what everybody else thinks and not being deterred. So not caring what the naysayers think kind of becomes a prerequisite. One can dissent and not be an asshole but patience is limited.

That can be a hazard for assholishness which combined with some level of obsessiveness means many probably fall into the category of being considered assholes rightfully or not.

The perception itself of being an asshole is itself biased towards the status quo - just look at Eartha Kitt's blackballing over answering the question of the why juvenile delinquency and disaffection was on the rise by pointing out the dissatisfaction over the Vietnam war and being called to give their lives for it.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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> yet Tesla pushed the entire world to electrify transport Oil prices, pollution laws and incentives did, Tesla was the only one in position to profit for it timely Every company has an electric car in their blueprints, Tesla is the right size to benefit for the small demand that the market created on its own They turned a hundred million so profit this year right? That's not even enough to consider ending the market…

I'm less optimistic about the conventional auto industry. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that conventional auto companies had to be dragged kicking and screaming into marketing desirable EVs. The conventional auto industry is full of ICE heads and hates EVs, and many of the dealers and unions and auto ecosystem companies also hate EVs because EVs require less maintenance. No oil changes, less moving parts, etc.…

> The conventional auto industry is full of ICE heads and hates EVs

That doesn't correspond with the practical realities. Here are some battery electrics that will be released across the next two years, some of which are already available:

https://www.myev.com/research/interesting-finds/hottest-new-...

Look at what a company like Hyundai is doing. Hyundai produces hydrogen fuel cell cars:

https://www.hyundai.de/Modelle/NEXO.html

Hyundai (with Kia) produces EV versions of the Hyundai Kona and the Kia Niro, two battery electrics with good range at a more affordable price than the luxury EVs:

https://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/kona-electric

https://www.kia.com/uk/new-cars/all-new-e-niro/

Hyundai also has plans for on-car solar:

https://electrek.co/2018/10/31/hyundai-kia-solar-roof-electr...

I don't think any of this adds up to them hating EVs. Hyundai is ahead of most companies on the road to the practical, affordable EV.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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> yet Tesla pushed the entire world to electrify transport Oil prices, pollution laws and incentives did, Tesla was the only one in position to profit for it timely Every company has an electric car in their blueprints, Tesla is the right size to benefit for the small demand that the market created on its own They turned a hundred million so profit this year right? That's not even enough to consider ending the market…

>Every company has an electric car in their blueprints, Tesla is the right size to benefit for the small demand that the market created on its own They have those blueprints because of Tesla, they were not going to be nearly as quick to market with electric cars before hand.

> They have those blueprints because of Tesla

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1

https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/ZEROEMISSION/HISTORY/RNESSA...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV

they're all sitting on a lot of technology, the current volume doesn't justify them to push into production, where tesla could use their gung-ho startup attitude and startup capital to run off the equivalent of rounding error for the establishment

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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post #143

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> Doesn’t hold up? What other company is there is making a bigger impact pushing us to electrify? Zurich public transport, every single train company. Claiming electric personal cars are a solution to anything is a joke. > And the “Mars is a conspiracy” is just not true. Musk can be sincere in his motivations while still not being pleasant to work with. I'm sure he's sincere about colonising Mars. It's just that it's…

If I were the dictator and could force everybody to do as I say tge world would be so much better. You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars. And you can believe about mars whatever you want. Even if collonisation doesnt happen, getting to mars alone is already a huge achievment. Just the tech the have done so far has been a huge achievment.

> You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars.

You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that's what I wrote, but we both know that you're consciously strawmanning.

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