I wish more people realised the truth behind the PR construction that is Elon Musk and stop calling him an 'inventor' and 'engineer'. He is neither. He got lucky a few times and has somehow managed to persuade people that he 'invented' Paypal (he didn't - and was in fact sacked when X.com was bought), that he 'invented' the electric car (nope, the Victorians did that), that he 'invented' the Hyperloop (again, the Victorians) and that he 'invented' reusable rockets (again, not him). He is a massive fraud and a paper tiger.
Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
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Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
#52I posted this article because I'm really afraid that many young entrepreneurs take Elon Musk (and Steve Jobs, etc.) as role models and get the impression that in order to be successful you have to be an abusive brick. I've recently read Walter Isaacson's "The Innovators" and there seem to be at least a couple of counterexamples (Robert Noyce for instance). Any other examples of tech leaders who lead their companies i…
You see the same debates about military leadership - some very famous military leaders were apparently pretty unpleasant at a personal level - then at the other end of the spectrum you have people like Leonard Cheshire who was tough but thoroughly decent and treated everyone at all levels with respect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cheshire
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Worth reading the list of missions he was on then the description of how he led:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cheshire#Cheshire_as_o...
Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
#53I used to be neutral or slightly positive about Musk but this year really changed my view on him. He's a pathological liar, attention-seeker, vengeful narcissist, obsessed about his public image who's unable to handle criticism.
I guess we all have these things in side of us and given the wrong circumstances people let them out. I am definitely compassionate towards Musk, as I for myself have made the experience that stress can bring out very negative sides within you, if you don't stay aware and relaxed to not get carried away of such feelings. It cannot be an apology and hopefully Musk recognizes that it is not his true self acting but stress and anxiety projected on others.
Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
#54I posted this article because I'm really afraid that many young entrepreneurs take Elon Musk (and Steve Jobs, etc.) as role models and get the impression that in order to be successful you have to be an abusive brick. I've recently read Walter Isaacson's "The Innovators" and there seem to be at least a couple of counterexamples (Robert Noyce for instance). Any other examples of tech leaders who lead their companies i…
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#55It strikes me that many very successful people are incredibly smart and driven but seem to have the emotional maturity, or personal introspection, of a 10 year old. Maybe it's just a necessary combination for this kind of success, but it's also a bit paradoxical. Case in point: buying 5 mansions in Bel Air when you spend all your time at work, literally sleeping under your desk. Another is insisting on burning the ca…
He doesn't actually spend all his time at the factory. He's mostly in LA. There are people on Twitter who track the flights of his private jet. He's mostly in LA, he'll go to the bay area maybe for a day a week. More rarely to Reno. If he's spending all his time working, it's at SpaceX of anything. But more likely he spends his time at home searching his own name on Twitter. The insane work hours stories are just par…
I find it interesting you can read this negative article about him and choose to believe the bad things, but dismiss the parts you think some might consider a positive
Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
#56I posted this article because I'm really afraid that many young entrepreneurs take Elon Musk (and Steve Jobs, etc.) as role models and get the impression that in order to be successful you have to be an abusive brick. I've recently read Walter Isaacson's "The Innovators" and there seem to be at least a couple of counterexamples (Robert Noyce for instance). Any other examples of tech leaders who lead their companies i…
You see the same debates about military leadership - some very famous military leaders were apparently pretty unpleasant at a personal level - then at the other end of the spectrum you have people like Leonard Cheshire who was tough but thoroughly decent and treated everyone at all levels with respect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cheshire Edit: Worth reading the list of missions he was on then the descripti…
No one knows who Leonard Cheshire is so he’s not really on anyone’s spectrum. The military leaders that are household names were all abusive.
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#57Why would anyone work there if this is the case? I agree that Tesla cars are very futuristic, but glory all goes to the company and Elon. Do employee get like a huge bonus or something if they survived long enough? There's got be a reason this article is not mentioning.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
> at-will employment laws I just don't get how we just can't over turn them politically state by state in State Elections. How is this not a thing? I live in an At Will State (PA) and it pretty much sucks to have the knowledge I can be fired for any reason and sure I still can sue but I can still lose even though I am 100% in the right.
> I just don't get how we just can't over turn them politically state by state in State Elections. How is this not a thing? Do most people want to overturn them? I think you're assuming that start state and it's perhaps not the case. > I can be fired for any reason And you can also leave for any reason. It's symmetrical. You don't have this right in some countries - I'd be careful about volunteering to give it up.
> And you can also leave for any reason. It's symmetrical. You don't have this right in some countries - I'd be careful about volunteering to give it up.
False dilemma [1]. There's no reason to assume that by giving up at-will employment, you'll also lose the right to resign for any reason. In fact, there are lots of countries where you can resign for any reason, but can't be fired for every reason.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I just don't get how we just can't over turn them politically state by state in State Elections. How is this not a thing? Do most people want to overturn them? I think you're assuming that start state and it's perhaps not the case. > I can be fired for any reason And you can also leave for any reason. It's symmetrical. You don't have this right in some countries - I'd be careful about volunteering to give it up.
> And you can also leave for any reason. It's symmetrical. You don't have this right in some countries - I'd be careful about volunteering to give it up. False dilemma [1]. There's no reason to assume that by giving up at-will employment, you'll also lose the right to resign for any reason. In fact, there are lots of countries where you can resign for any reason, but can't be fired for every reason. [1] https://en.wi…
The person I was replying to said 'at-will employment laws ...
I just don't get how we just can't over turn them.' The law is both parts of it. You probably wouldn't want to overturn the law, because you'd overturn your protection as well.
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#60I've not read a positive article about Elon Musk for a while now. Why would anyone want to work in places like this?
> I find it interesting how many smear pieces against Musk have suddenly surfaced ever since he announced he wanted to take Telsa private again.