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Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

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Interning millions of people on the basis of their ethnicity/religion, and then harvesting their organs ... now where have we heard this one before? I won't make the direct comparison because it'd normally seem hyperbolic in 2018 ... but this is happening in 2018. If this is true, it has to change the narrative quite firmly.

Why are you singling out Tim Cook? All world leaders (both political and corporate) that appease China are to blame.

Was going to say this. They edited that part out.

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The false dichotomy of comparing the “evils” of USA whenever horrifying news comes out of China is worrying. Stretched to the extreme it’s the equivalent of bringing up Obama droning killing innocents when comparing The Nazis and Hitler. Our minds conflate the 2 things as bad and we compartmentalize them as such together. There is a world of difference between the 2. Imagine if the world order was not created by US a…

The US had plenty of its own Nazi Germany moments, and - unlike Nazi Germany - which was completely dismantled by the Allies - the repercussions of them are still being felt today across its native and black populations. In more recent history - of the 21st century, at least, China hasn't started any conflicts in the Middle East, that have killed hundreds of thousands of people, and turned millions more into refugees…

Your comment is exactly the false comparisons I was talking about. Get the emotions out of the way and rationally evaluate what you just wrote.

China can not start the conflicts because the world will sanction them. Yet they did exactly that to Tibet. They killed so many, took it over and have brainwashed or arrested everyone who clings to Tibetan culture. They invaded India, did you know that? And would have killed or enslaved all of it until the US stopped it (or was it Russia). China if sole superpower would have concquered Japan, Vietnam, South Korea no doubt in my mind and likely attempted the rest of the world as well.

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When I was younger, maybe five years ago or so, I was living in Boston and I'd consistently see a pack of Chinese protestors outside the public library at Copley (very popular area) holding up signs, looking to gain attention for this very issue. They spoke to me as best as they could, handed me a pamphlet with hard-to-parse English but nonetheless gruesome descriptions, and asked for my signature along with any othe…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong

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When I was younger, maybe five years ago or so, I was living in Boston and I'd consistently see a pack of Chinese protestors outside the public library at Copley (very popular area) holding up signs, looking to gain attention for this very issue. They spoke to me as best as they could, handed me a pamphlet with hard-to-parse English but nonetheless gruesome descriptions, and asked for my signature along with any othe…

I've seen them in Hong Kong, Melbourne Australia, Wellington New Zealand, and Auckland New Zealand :(

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "According to the reports, political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients." Wild... I had no idea this was going on. There are a lot of things about China that I disagree with, but this might be the worst thing I've heard so far.

Imagine how much more efficiently the Chinese government could identify involuntary donors if it had better access to people's personal information. Perhaps through a search engine of some kind. One with a harmless-sounding name. Maybe "Dragonfly" would be a good name.

Google's mission statement is "to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful".

I'm sure we can all be happy if, with the help of Google, China becomes a more harmonious society, without any pesky troublemakers, and that hard-working Chinese Communist Party officials get the transplants they so deserve.

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The word "substantial" is very vague and a bad sign for any scientific and evidence-based publication. Then, when such news show up while Trump is trying to make his deal with the Chinese and (it seems) even got a hostage recently, this makes me feel a bit suspicious of this article, especially since its content is pay-walled. (I'm not defending organ-harvesting, which was already reported in the past, but the articl…

Tbh you can see a conpiracy everywhere, even with your comment for example: you could be geniunely suspicious. Or you could be a die hard trump supporter who prefer to say its suspicious because you don't like that attacking china whill lead in the future to attacking trump policy. I wonder which one

Well, if Trump say something about this topic on TV in the next couple of days, then I'm right. In any case, they promise to deliver a full report on that investigation in early 2019, hopefully it will be more informative. (My main point is not that the article might be politically motivated, but that its main statement is very imprecise and allows interpretations.)

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I quietly wondered, some weeks ago, when China’s “Khashoggi moment” might occur. This probably isn’t it, unless an individual story can emerge that can capture the public’s revulsion in a way that, for some reason, only an individual story can.

It took one journalist’s murder and dismemberment to finally make Mohammed Bin-Salman politically radioactive in a way that thousands of dead and starving Yemenis could not. As we continue to ignore the Uighur internment camps, and probably this as well, what will it take for Xi?

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So how many victims are there? CNN said in 2016 that there were 10k legal transplants and 60-100k actual transplants based on looking at actual volume of transplants at the largest hospitals and supposes that executed minorities compose the difference. Keep in mind that one victim could be sufficient to provide fodder for a number of operations.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/asia/china-organ-harvesting/i...

Do we have actual hard numbers? The 4000 fulun gong seem insufficient for the volume reported.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "According to the reports, political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients." Wild... I had no idea this was going on. There are a lot of things about China that I disagree with, but this might be the worst thing I've heard so far.

Imagine how much more efficiently the Chinese government could identify involuntary donors if it had better access to people's personal information. Perhaps through a search engine of some kind. One with a harmless-sounding name. Maybe "Dragonfly" would be a good name.

I guess it wouldn't be HN if we didn't tie every story back to our own issues.

In this case, if Google ever does return to China I doubt the authorities would find it more useful for such purposes than existing sources such as iCloud, Bing, and Baidu already are.

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