You can't get much more dystopian or abhorrent than using a political minority as livestock.
The word 'harvested' is so much nicer than 'stolen'. That makes the 'optics' better. (i feel sick now)
On the contrary. Harvesting organs is terrifying.
China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
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#43The word "substantial" is very vague and a bad sign for any scientific and evidence-based publication. Then, when such news show up while Trump is trying to make his deal with the Chinese and (it seems) even got a hostage recently, this makes me feel a bit suspicious of this article, especially since its content is pay-walled. (I'm not defending organ-harvesting, which was already reported in the past, but the articl…
Tbh you can see a conpiracy everywhere, even with your comment for example: you could be geniunely suspicious.
Or you could be a die hard trump supporter who prefer to say its suspicious because you don't like that attacking china whill lead in the future to attacking trump policy.
I wonder which one
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed. What is the solution? Economic sanctions (I'd argue yes)? UN resolutions? (Useless) Boots on the ground? (Physical force, while preferably a last resort, is always an option). I'm starting to warm to the idea of using tariffs and other punitive measures to drag manufacturing back to US shores.
These things only work when there's a large asymmetry in power, otherwise the cost is too high. US >> N.Korea, US >> Iran. China's too powerful and important to do anything serious, we will have to likely deal with this on a case-by-case basis like we do Saudi Arabia, hopefully generating enough soft pressure and potential inflammation that they become fearful of creating a Khashoggi incident.
The US would break its sanctioning tools if it took on China unilaterally with sanctions, but if they managed a coalition that included the EU and a few others it could work.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Economic Sanctions- possible, but only effective with Allies and a clear set of demands on what it takes to lift the sanctions UN Resolution- China is a veto holding member of the security council, not happening Boots on the ground- not worth it, even morally. A ground war with China will kill hundreds of thousands at a minimum.
A ground war with China will leave most of the United States a nuclear crater.
From Google results:
"China is estimated by the Federation of American Scientists to have an arsenal of about 260 total warheads as of 2015, which would make it the second smallest nuclear arsenal amongst the five nuclear weapon states acknowledged by the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons."
"As of 2017, the U.S. has an inventory of 6,800 nuclear warheads; of these, 2,800 are retired and awaiting dismantlement and 4,018 are part of the U.S. stockpile. Of the stockpiled warheads, the U.S. stated in its April 2017 New START declaration that 1,411 are deployed on 673 ICBMs, SLBMs, and strategic bombers."
EDIT: No one wins, it's who loses the least. The whole point of having them is so the other person doesn't use theirs.
Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#46I remember first hearing about this in the context of the Bodies exhibit[0] and concern from some people not to accept "donations" from China, as they might've come involuntarily from political prisoners.
Looks like their concern was well-placed.
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#48The false dichotomy of comparing the “evils” of USA whenever horrifying news comes out of China is worrying. Stretched to the extreme it’s the equivalent of bringing up Obama droning killing innocents when comparing The Nazis and Hitler. Our minds conflate the 2 things as bad and we compartmentalize them as such together. There is a world of difference between the 2. Imagine if the world order was not created by US a…
The US had plenty of its own Nazi Germany moments, and - unlike Nazi Germany - which was completely dismantled by the Allies - the repercussions of them are still being felt today across its native and black populations.
In more recent history - of the 21st century, at least, China hasn't started any conflicts in the Middle East, that have killed hundreds of thousands of people, and turned millions more into refugees. On the scale of 'how much harm has each empire done', it is not three orders of magnitude away from the competition.
China's repression is targeted internally, for reasons of internal security. The Department of State targets it externally, for reasons of national interests. Comparing the two, or trying to argue which is worse, is apples and oranges. Both groups, here, justify their behavior, by claiming that if they didn't take action, something worse would happen.
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Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#50Interning millions of people on the basis of their ethnicity/religion, and then harvesting their organs ... now where have we heard this one before? I won't make the direct comparison because it'd normally seem hyperbolic in 2018 ... but this is happening in 2018. If this is true, it has to change the narrative quite firmly.
Why are you singling out Tim Cook? All world leaders (both political and corporate) that appease China are to blame.