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Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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These extra features and thus the complexity are the opposite of what I'd like in a self-hosted file share system. Why does everything have to be bloated into oblivion like this. We need more purpose built software... What i like? OpenBSD for firewalls, and public facing terminal servers. Just lovely. /rant.

Most of those features are optional. So if you don't care about some functionality just uninstall the specific 'App'. Sure that is not as secure as not having those Apps in the first place, but I think, in general, Nextcloud is moving into the right direction, as many of their use-cases require a tightly integrated but wide set of features.

> Most of those features are optional. So if you don't care about some functionality just uninstall the specific 'App'.

That's true, but unless there are new developers joining to create/support these apps the addition of these new features may spread the developers too thin. Personally I'd rather have a robust set of smaller features than a buggy implementation of a lot of features. The latter is okay if it's just a "for fun" type of project. But I use nextcloud to keep my calendar/contacts/file-sync, so it's really not okay if the core functionality is unstable. So while I can uninstall these apps, I personally worry that it means less attention will be paid to the core features.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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The personal issue I have with ownCloud / Nextcloud, is that I simply don't trust the technical competence of the developers, who picked PHP as the most suitable programming language for a multi-platform network-intensive application in 2010. There were simply no technical reasons for doing this – and there are still none.

They just forked it form Owncloud, that's the reason.

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Can't confirm this experience. I have auto-upload enabled, and I've never had any issues with my pictures not syncing. Did you check the upload status on your phone during this time? Pictures can get very heavy, and it might just need more WiFi time to upload 20 of them.

Their auto upload on Android doesn't work properly. On iOS they offer initial upload of all files, on Android it doesn't happen.

On iOS it takes forever. Days. The upload rate is slow as hell.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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The personal issue I have with ownCloud / Nextcloud, is that I simply don't trust the technical competence of the developers, who picked PHP as the most suitable programming language for a multi-platform network-intensive application in 2010. There were simply no technical reasons for doing this – and there are still none.

Modern php dev with packages managed by composer is fine. Its not perfect but I think immediately dismissing anything written in php is wrong.

> I think immediately dismissing anything written in php is wrong

I have specifically pointed at multi-platform, network-intensive applications, and never claimed that PHP is not suitable for anything.

If someone is not able to choose the right tool for the job, how can you trust him to do the job right?

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I also have auto-upload enabled, and syncing works perfectly whether I am on the same network or an outside network. Perhaps the grandparent commentor is using an older version of the android client or server?

I do see some issues with really large files. Files over 50Mb. My server has limits imposed and the resulting error is not communicated back to me on the app. The app merely states "Failed to upload". For me, this is the only issue I ever get, but without knowing the cause it does feel very "random". In my case, I managed to track it down and, by knowing what causes the sync issue, I can avoid it, or ignore it. Could…

That could be it. IIRC, the upper limit of file upload size was tied to RAM (had something to do with PHP and how it handed uploads)?

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post #45

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Their auto upload on Android doesn't work properly. On iOS they offer initial upload of all files, on Android it doesn't happen.

On iOS it takes forever . Days. The upload rate is slow as hell.

All depends on your server and settings and network of course... But the mobile clients could probably do more uploads in parallel, like the desktop client does.

Just keep in mind it uploads the original files, not, like eg whatsapp, downsized, compressed one that is 1/10th the size...

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I'm interested to know what problems you've had with the sync clients. In my household we use it on a mix of windows, Linux, Android, and iOS devices and it's extremely smooth.

Sync problem on android nextcloud app - it was very slow, showed zig-zag pattern on bandwidth usage. That bug was solved but nextcloud app still does not utilize all of bandwidth. Can not fail and resume, basically there can be months of pictures lost since it resumes, crashes dies, does not resume next time. The android app that is. Disclaimer: I fixed some of these bugs, so seeing the source-code was repulsive enou…

Thanks for helping to fix the bugs, that's the best way of getting this improved ;-)

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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As an admin of a 500 user instance I'm having mixed feelings about Nextcloud. Sure it's GPL and free and it got a lot better than the old owncloud mess that broke always but it's still somewhat a gamble. My install is just a no-warranty, non-commercial use case and I wouldn't use it for any large commercial installation without having at least one dedicated and skilled PHP-dev on-site. I came to resent their marketin…

Let's be honest, if we did a release with only stabilization, it might get us more users. Not more customers. And it is customers who pay for the development.

Everyone asks us to focus "on the basics" and then claim their pet feature requests are, of course, basics. ACL's and user mgmt in your case, perfectly fine features, but features nonetheless.

In the end, our development is guided by the community and customers. If you're not either, we might not do what you want... That's the reality of any open source project.

And you're right, for a large installation, you should obviously get an onsite engineer, or, much better, a contract with us which is both cheaper and better. That's what most larger installations do, and that is how we earn the money to make Nextcloud better.

WRT the E2E, that sadly took a whole lot longer to get working than we had expected. Of course, if you think it is important or need it, time and money can speed it up, we have only so much of those.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Am I the only one that hates that the “fediverse” is not on the web? We didn’t need a separate protocol/app and closed servers to do what are actually just blog posts and replies.

What do you mean by "not on the web"? It is accessible on the web. Everybody with a web browser can see public posts and replies. For writing new posts, you need an account though. Here is the public account of Mastodon's founder: https://mastodon.social/@Gargron

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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I have been using NC for a few years now and I am mostly happy with it. Contacts, calendars, sharing, photo auto uploads all work with my Android phone. My problem is the software is pretty slow and from a security perspective I'd be hesitant to expose it to the greater internet. That's just my gut feeling.

I feel the same. Basically, I wouldn't like to publish the address of my personal Nextcloud server to anyone (unless I am sharing a file privately with a friend). Fortunately, the social features are not built into the Nextcloud core, rather they are in a separate app. So we can just forget about it if we don't like it.
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