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Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by athenot »

teleclimber wrote: post #33
api wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a start, but my concern is that the volunteer militia will get swamped and burnt out when the real attacks come. Right now Mastodon and other ActivityPub platforms are too small for a Cambridge Analytica / Russian FSB or other similar caliber actors to bother with. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. are where most of the users are so that's where most of the effort will go. If these platforms ever "tip" into m…

I'm on masto regularly and the community is much more pleasant there (than say Twitter). A lot of users attribute that pleasantness to decentralization. I call BS. It's because it's a tiny self-selected group that wants the opposite of what Twitter provides. You're absolutely right: once this tips, and people join because that's what you have to join to talk to people and not because they're looking for a real change…

> Personally I think we'll look back on these massively open networks where everybody can reply to everybody as an anomaly.

It's cyclical.

- The internet and online communities (BBSes) started out decentralized.

- Then came AOL / Compuserve / etc. Centralized platforms.

- The web broke up those platforms and shuffled everything around.

- Then the current Google / Facebook / Twitter megaplatforms arose and that's the state we're in.

So it's logical that we're ready for a decentralized cycle but over time, users will forget why decentralization is good and another big platform will rise.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by Kye »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #21

Are these guys courting VC funding? This looks less like a feature their users actually asked for than a bullet point for a sales pitch.

They've been on Mastodon for over a year. I think they just wanted to be able to see their Nextcloud stuff from there.

https://mastodon.xyz/@nextcloud

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by ohthehugemanate »

creshal wrote: post #4

How about a working, documented plugin API? Or sync clients that work ? Instead of taping more random crap onto a base product that only barely works?

I'm interested to know what problems you've had with the sync clients. In my household we use it on a mix of windows, Linux, Android, and iOS devices and it's extremely smooth.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by ohthehugemanate »

justin_oaks wrote: post #48
creshal wrote: post #4

How about a working, documented plugin API? Or sync clients that work ? Instead of taping more random crap onto a base product that only barely works?

I was all excited to set up Next loud on my Raspberry PI. Got it up and working and then I found out that it doesn't do two-way sync, which was what I was hoping to use it for. I wholeheartedly agree that they should focus on more important features.

Sorry, what's two way sync in your meaning?

I use nextcloud in my home with a mix of clients, all working on the same files. Changes propagate up and down to/from all clients. Maybe you mean something different?

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by yorwba »

nullcipher wrote: post #35
yorwba wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A possible cause is that not all file systems support the same character sets in paths, so syncing can fail due to invalid names. In this syncthing issue, someone mentions that e.g. Hangouts inserts colons in image names: https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing/issues/1734#issuecomm... Maybe Seafile somehow found a good solution that doesn't cause breakage in other places. Any specific reason you want to switch to the…

> Any specific reason you want to switch to them? OP just told you the problem

They said why they want to switch away from Nextcloud, not why they want to switch to Seafile specifically.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by [deleted] »

krn wrote: post #43

The personal issue I have with ownCloud / Nextcloud, is that I simply don't trust the technical competence of the developers, who picked PHP as the most suitable programming language for a multi-platform network-intensive application in 2010. There were simply no technical reasons for doing this – and there are still none.

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Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by antocv »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #53
creshal wrote: post #4

How about a working, documented plugin API? Or sync clients that work ? Instead of taping more random crap onto a base product that only barely works?

I'm interested to know what problems you've had with the sync clients. In my household we use it on a mix of windows, Linux, Android, and iOS devices and it's extremely smooth.

Sync problem on android nextcloud app - it was very slow, showed zig-zag pattern on bandwidth usage. That bug was solved but nextcloud app still does not utilize all of bandwidth.

Can not fail and resume, basically there can be months of pictures lost since it resumes, crashes dies, does not resume next time. The android app that is.

Disclaimer: I fixed some of these bugs, so seeing the source-code was repulsive enough, but there just isnt anything else better as far as I know.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by PeterMikhailov »

krn wrote: post #43

The personal issue I have with ownCloud / Nextcloud, is that I simply don't trust the technical competence of the developers, who picked PHP as the most suitable programming language for a multi-platform network-intensive application in 2010. There were simply no technical reasons for doing this – and there are still none.

Modern php dev with packages managed by composer is fine. Its not perfect but I think immediately dismissing anything written in php is wrong.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by Arkanosis »

« and soon Diaspora are part of this same network [ie. ActivityPub] » — I was surprised to read that, and after a quick check, it's not looking like it'll happen anytime soon, sadly.

diaspora* is one of the most famous and successful open, federated social networks out there, yet it does not implement the protocol which is gaining unprecedented traction across a large number of implementations. Hopefully, Nextcloud implementing ActivityPub is yet another reason for diaspora* to follow the move.

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