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Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by seren »

theprotocol wrote: post #2

Without S. Boulardii, I am a neurotic mess who can't digest anything at all nor think straight after eating anything, so I'm inclined to believe this hypothesis. I am also intrigued about what this means for criminality and how the line between illness and evil is likely to shift given the role of microorganisms in behavioral dysfunction; and more broadly, we don't like to admit it, but it seems that completely amora…

On your second point, there is an article on The Atlantic, that is worth reading in my opinion : the Brain on Trial (2011) [0]

It explores some case of brain malfunction leading to various criminal cases and what it means for free will (or lack of). Really makes you wonder what freedom do we really have.

[0] https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-bra...

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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nyc111 wrote: post #206
theprotocol wrote: post #65

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Sure, but please note that it is not to be construed as advice, merely an example of what might work for someone, and that everyone is different (for instance, one of my posts mentions that a subset of people do extremely well on a diet opposite mine - high starch). edit: I've also not written anything about methodology, so I hope my writings have not given the impression that one can play fast and loose with supplem…

How do you react to grains, like rice or Quinoa? Are you in Twitter? How can we get in touch with you?

I can eat small amounts of wheat and any amount of rice without any symptoms. I haven't tried quinoa because I have sufficient grains in my diet now, and don't want to risk reacting to a new food.

Here's a temporary email address: something@radiodale.com

Please email that address and I will give you my real email address there. This is to avoid publishing my email for perpetuity.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by CuriousSkeptic »

nyc111 wrote: post #79
theprotocol wrote: post #65

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Sure, but please note that it is not to be construed as advice, merely an example of what might work for someone, and that everyone is different (for instance, one of my posts mentions that a subset of people do extremely well on a diet opposite mine - high starch). edit: I've also not written anything about methodology, so I hope my writings have not given the impression that one can play fast and loose with supplem…

> everyone is different Very true. I added your disclaimer.

Not only is people different but what might be helpful for some, in others might create chronic issues.

Killing of species of your gut microbiome (by eliminating foods) should probably not be somethig to take lightly.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by code_duck »

kaitai wrote: post #110
code_duck wrote: post #94

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I think the conversation about that came up with chronic fatigue. These days it’s used to describe mild hangover-like states, mostly. What people with celiac suffer is more like the confusion that comes with multiple sclerosis. As far as other people’s ‘brain fog’ I think they’re referring to a much more mild condition. Self described sensitivity to gluten is on the rise. Possibly some gluten intolerance is on the ri…

There are actually some very interesting studies looking at blood samples from the 1950s, for instance, that indicate that celiac is much more common than it used to be. See for instance "Increased Prevalence and Mortality in Undiagnosed Celiac Disease" in the journal Gastroenterology, July 2009.

Seems interesting. That was written by a doctor I saw this summer, too.

This is a bit more readable: https://www.the-scientist.com/features/the-celiac-surge-3143...

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by Fnoord »

throwaway713 wrote: post #179
gboudrias wrote: post #44

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Interestingly, almost no one in NA justice systems talks about evil. The causality between life events leading to crime is often ridiculously clear, and choice barely factors into it. Believing in evil is its own kind of privilege. I for one have now seen a lot of criminal cases, and I've only seen sick people and people following the path laid before them. No evil in sight, but the concept's very existence allows fo…

> Believing in evil is its own kind of privilege. Tell that to holocaust survivors. If you want to redefine commonly used words like "evil" until they no longer have any sort of meaning, go ahead, but in that case you might as well accept a nihilistic existence as an automaton obeying the deterministic time evolution laws of physics. I feel like the rest of society will ignore you in that case, and that's probably fo…

Godwin's law.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by intralizee »

SZJX wrote: post #205
intralizee wrote: post #177

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Whatever comes is destiny in our reality and when you understand free will is an illusion.. I did not have the ability to a different person and communicate something different today (same as you). Basically the needed events have to occur and similar to anything that humanity adopts as knowledge & way of life.

Not sure what you're trying to say here at all. Apparently you can't keep your extreme position logically coherent. I agree that the idea of "free will" might have been exaggerated too much especially in the US tradition, and I think people here generally agree. But taking a position of complete denial is likely not sound either. No need replying to everybody trying to defend your point. That in itself is a bit weak.

One sentence is missing a word and I didn’t edit it in time because I took a break.

Basically the gist of it is whatever is destined will occur. However long until the social norms adjust for people to understand & see the illusion of today. How the belief is a substantial impact in how society functions but doesn’t even have any backing such as from science/reason. It’s similar to how the times are shifting of belief towards a god existing and how life must be played out from text associated with the belief. I even compare it to when humans all believed the world is flat. The possibility exists of the time to never come where the majority realizes free will is an illusion but I think contrary because I can understand from my experiences the positives. I can also imagine benefits from the realization of the majority understanding it and how the majority would need to function to still keep humanity as the highest regard.

You cannot take the stance that an illusion is how people in society needs to live under and seem rational to me. Similar to the stance of writing it as “in complete denial” and assuming likelihood. The topics on hacker news that have something to do with free will belief are my favorite because

I enjoy replying to everyone. It was destined for me and with others that reply. The main difference between me & others is probably how I have positive emotions towards the understanding because it made me able to not break in a very low time.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by throwaway487552 »

Since when autistic spectrum disorders were redefined and reformulated? They used to be genetic brain structure/biochemistry related disorders with certain impaired social behaviors (which could be diagnosed using DSM) as their symptoms.

How it is possible to "study" anything about human genetic disorders in a such unrelated model as mice, which does not have any cortex and other major areas, including language related one?

Why treatment of the symptoms of unrelated disorder (any poisoning or radical gut disturbance surely affects behavioral patterns) is considered to be related to autism in humans, which has different causes, and manifests itself on a different brain structure and is unrelated to any gut bacteria whatsoever?

Why this crap is considered to be a respectable science?

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by intralizee »

machiaweliczny wrote: post #213
intralizee wrote: post #142

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It's not beautiful because it's wrong and results in people continuing to be under an illusion. The madness that continues around believing people make their own choices and should be punished is the result of this magical thinking which should be eventually classified as a mental illness. Since society hurts people who had no control and when under this horrible belief.

People will do "evil"(as harming allies) if: 1) they are unsustainable (like harming allies) - not sure can be fixed 2) Don't have enough knowledge(broken perception) to do differently. 3) ROI of doing evil is too high. etc. Could you point to scenarios where aknowledging non-existence of free will could help us? IMO it doesn't matter. EDIT: Actually I think that existence of concept of free will is positive because…

The understanding of free will is an illusion has brought clarity and forgiveness into my life; towards all the persons who wronged me. I became aware to how it would be irrational to seek revenge of some sort against persons who deeply wronged me to disfigurement.

Short summary: I’m transgender and couldn’t transition when needed and to live a life of less pain because of others.

Arareness towards understanding people are who they are without any control brought me to realizing “who the best me would be” in the current situation. A person who cannot blame directly the person who wronged me. I might end my life by suicide though. So the impact of what others did to me was great and I still trumped it.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by humanrebar »

thomasahle wrote: post #135
test6554 wrote: post #124

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If you assume free will is an illusion, then it would make more sense to treat those who threaten society as faulty machinery and scrap them. Assuming people can admit and learn from their mistakes means you can focus on rehabilitation and treat them with dignity.

> If you assume free will is an illusion, then it would make more sense to treat those who threaten society as faulty machinery and scrap them. If you have a system that produces defects, you could continuously scrap them, but you could also just fix the system so it doesn't produce defects.

> ...you could also just fix the system so it doesn't produce defects.

Big if true!

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