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Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

hnuser1234 wrote: post #151
orionsbelt wrote: post #77

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I tend to be a bleeding heart and agree that many cases of criminal behavior are mental illness or environment/circumstances, but I still think there is a spectrum of morality out there -- not sure what you mean by "evil" exactly, but certainly a spectrum where people can range from high on empathy and kindness to those who care much less about others and are more amoral or even sociopathic.

I agree, but let's go deeper... I'd wager is there is a way to rank "empathy/kindness" in a more objective way, and that the current social environment is distanced from that objectivity. Now even if we could perfectly, objectively rank it, should we immediately jail the bottom 1/3/10%, or should we wait for them to commit a crime? Should we give lighter sentences to more empathetic people who commit crimes, assuming…

We are starting to understand the parts of the brain that empathy originates from. The whole question gets more complicated when you realise that these regions could be diminished through no fault of the individual.

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Post by Thiez »

fit2rule wrote: post #149
Thiez wrote: post #101

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Why would that decision require free will?

Because otherwise it would have just been the universe, not doing anything at all.

Correct me if I am wrong, but your argument sounds like: "people can decide that there is no free will, thus it exists". I don't see how the conclusion follows from the premise. Surely one might decide that free will does not exist in a universe where it does not?

Perhaps we have alternative definitions of free will. I believe that whenever I (or anyone else) have made a decision, then rewinding time to the exact moment before the decision will only cause me to make the exact same decision again. I find the idea that I might decide otherwise disturbing.

One might argue that quantum randomness could influence decisions, but I would argue that adding true randomness to an otherwise deterministic system does not make it any more 'free', even if the system stops being deterministic.

I would love to hear how you define the'free' in 'free will', and how its existence follows from your argument.

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Post by theprotocol »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #146
theprotocol wrote: post #4

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I think there is free will, but like most things in life, it is a privilege not everyone has; many people are constrained by invisible shackles. I would wager that evil still exists, but it requires full awareness of what one is doing when perpetrating it, and so it is more rare than we think. (Of course, this is just an opinion.)

> I think there is free will ... many people are constrained by invisible shackles This is a contradiction. "Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action unimpeded" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will

That's entirely consistent with what I said: many people don't have free will. But free will does exist.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by yellowbuilding »

theprotocol wrote: post #2

Without S. Boulardii, I am a neurotic mess who can't digest anything at all nor think straight after eating anything, so I'm inclined to believe this hypothesis. I am also intrigued about what this means for criminality and how the line between illness and evil is likely to shift given the role of microorganisms in behavioral dysfunction; and more broadly, we don't like to admit it, but it seems that completely amora…

Can you recommend a brand?

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by SZJX »

intralizee wrote: post #177
rhizome wrote: post #167

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Wouldn't the choice to fix a broken system require free will not to be an illusion?

Whatever comes is destiny in our reality and when you understand free will is an illusion.. I did not have the ability to a different person and communicate something different today (same as you). Basically the needed events have to occur and similar to anything that humanity adopts as knowledge & way of life.

Not sure what you're trying to say here at all. Apparently you can't keep your extreme position logically coherent.

I agree that the idea of "free will" might have been exaggerated too much especially in the US tradition, and I think people here generally agree. But taking a position of complete denial is likely not sound either. No need replying to everybody trying to defend your point. That in itself is a bit weak.

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Post by nyc111 »

theprotocol wrote: post #65
nyc111 wrote: post #58

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@theprotocol With your permission, I hope, I copied your comments to my wiki http://www.zeynel.a2hosted.com/index.php?title=Digestive_Hea... I think it will be useful to others as well to read them as a whole. I'll update if there are new relevant comments. Thanks!

Sure, but please note that it is not to be construed as advice, merely an example of what might work for someone, and that everyone is different (for instance, one of my posts mentions that a subset of people do extremely well on a diet opposite mine - high starch). edit: I've also not written anything about methodology, so I hope my writings have not given the impression that one can play fast and loose with supplem…

How do you react to grains, like rice or Quinoa? Are you in Twitter? How can we get in touch with you?

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Post by sametmax »

theprotocol wrote: post #28
sametmax wrote: post #22

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I'm very interested in your experience. Few questions: - what positive effects did you get taking S. Boulardii ? - did you try reuteri ? If no why ? If yes what happened ? - what forms did you take the supplement in ? What form do you prefer and why ? Any brand recommanded or things to watch out ? Do you know natural reliable food sources ? - can you tell me more about your 3 courses of H. Pylori eradictation ? Why ?…

I didn't expect this level of attention at all. I hope it is appropriate for me to respond. - what positive effects did you get taking S. Boulardii ? Intestinal "well-being," feeling I can almost forget about my intestines, whereas normally my abdomen always hurts very badly, to the point my entire body is straining in reaction to it. This is only in combination with the other measures I took; S. Boulardii alone is i…

Thanks a lot. I know it takes time to write those long comments.

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Post by throwaway487551 »

aheilbut wrote: post #117

Rather, gut bacteria may affect certain social behaviours in mice.

How this is related to humans?

What is autism in mice in the first place?

What kind of fucking degenerates are "studying" or "modeling" a cross-species "mental" disorder???

On species with an almost unrelated brain structure as a "model"?? What kind of bullshit is this?

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Post by zkomp »

test6554 wrote: post #116
gboudrias wrote: post #44

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Interestingly, almost no one in NA justice systems talks about evil. The causality between life events leading to crime is often ridiculously clear, and choice barely factors into it. Believing in evil is its own kind of privilege. I for one have now seen a lot of criminal cases, and I've only seen sick people and people following the path laid before them. No evil in sight, but the concept's very existence allows fo…

Theres always a choice, and choices have consequences. The kind of people who believe they had no choice are the worst because it shows a total lack of remorse for their selfish decisions. Phrases like “Look what YOU made me do” and “It’s societies fault” are warning signs that they learned nothing and you have a likely repeat offender on your hands.

In your own head you, it is probably benificial to think there is free will and you have choices.

But besides that, how can you ever believe such a thing without appealing to authority or religion. There cant be any free will; You are fully determined to execute on the given path. But that does not remove any responsibility - your unfree will is still yours just as the concequences, no...

(I mean, your will is determined in part by your gut. Everything you ever ate could tip the balance in some way.)

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Post by gnoppa »

starchild_3001 wrote: post #96
theprotocol wrote: post #11

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I figured out that my problems were related to intestinal microflora because they became ten times worse after undergoing 3 courses of H. Pylori eradication therapy in the span of only a few months, and I never improved for years afterwards. That's the short version; in reality, I suffered for a decade and a half before I caught on that I could do something about it, and it took about 5 years after that to get any ki…

There's a whole group of people who're benefit from eliminating histamins, FODMAPs etc---and even any form of fiber, which probably you already know. Check out carnivores (again if you don't know yet): https://zerocarbzen.com/about-me/.. . there're facebook groups with many 10ks of members. Another is Dr Ray Peat adherents. They essentially cut out everything but orange juice and milk and meat... :) Curious sort of p…

Yes, going carnivore led to a massive improvement of my health. I am curious about LLLT, sounds a bit like wishful thinking to me but I'd like to try it out. Where would I get a cheap device to play around with and do you use it like stated in the selfhacked article?
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