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Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by brokenmachine »

Joakal wrote: post #313
brokenmachine wrote: post #126

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>The most disturbing aspect is the strong bipartisan and public support for the ongoing abuse. Is there really public support? Everyone I've talked to thinks it's a disgrace.

Some people say the efforts by Liberal/Labor are to discourage a lot more refugees from overwhelming Australia. Resulting in increased crime, less jobs, etc. They acknowledge that some will suffer in the process. Other points I noticed: - Coming across as emotional about the harm and suffering on Nauru or escaping war, they will dismiss all arguments as immature and feel like they're being an adult to you. - Some are…

>Some people say the efforts by Liberal/Labor are to discourage a lot more refugees from overwhelming Australia. Resulting in increased crime, less jobs, etc.

Meanwhile we're letting every man and his dog waltz in through the front door, as long as they have money.

But we don't want those dirty refugees! Lock them up in our own Aussie Guantanamo and throw away the key. It's sickening.

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Post by shakna »

brokenmachine wrote: post #358
shakna wrote: post #310

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Australians did not give up guns in citizen hands. And per capita, we have more guns than our military.

? citation please ?

https://sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2016/04/28/australia...

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by brokenmachine »

p2t2p wrote: post #298
boyter wrote: post #45

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+1 block us. Apple if you are reading this stop selling us iPhones. Australians need to feel the pain of this otherwise nothing will change. 1 billion dollars wiped from Atlassian already. I’m hoping the markets react more and destroy the industry here. Might want to assume that all Australian developers are now potentially compromised.

I bet that the entity that sells iPhones here in Oz is different to Apple inc. and has absolutely no leverage to do anything in software. Just like Yandex in Russia - legally they buy all of the software from a company in Netherlands, at least that what I heard.

That's how they get around tax.

Apple Inc will sell the phones at high rates to Apple Australia, so Apple Australia can claim they are making zero profit in Australia, so hence have to pay no tax.

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Post by bigger_cheese »

bigiain wrote: post #143
brokenmachine wrote: post #126

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>The most disturbing aspect is the strong bipartisan and public support for the ongoing abuse. Is there really public support? Everyone I've talked to thinks it's a disgrace.

My personal social circle and Sydney Inner West socailly aware bubble all thinks it's a disgrace, but I'm not kidding myself into thinking I'd need to go very far before I bumped into people who'd justify it to themselves as "necessary for the country", and not a lot further to find people actively and vocally celebrating the cruelness...

Yes this is the sad truth unfortunately a huge swathe of the general population support the 'tough on refugees' stance. It can get pretty ugly. About 5 years ago I was pretty heavily involved in refugee activism a friend and I were spat on in a shopping center for circulating a petition and was not uncommon to get verbally abused by people in the street. This was in a safe labor area too so it's not exactly like I was in some conservative heartland.

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Post by mvid »

mimixco wrote: post #360

This is a big deal for people of all countries as the major tech firms will quickly build-in the required backdoors to stay in compliance -- and they won't just be there for Australian citizens; they'll be there for all of us.

Will they? Is Australia a big enough market to give up global credibility as a company?

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Post by mvid »

brokenmachine wrote: post #206
jacques_chester wrote: post #185

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Typically included in your benefits package as part of the job. You don't have to give up Australian citizenship to get an E3, so if necessary you can fly back to Australia for treatment.

>if necessary you can fly back to Australia for treatment If a sickness/injury is bad enough to need to fly back to Australia, there's a pretty good chance you won't be allowed on a plane.

That is naive and simplistic. Sure, if you were hit by a car you probably won't be making a flight. But cancer? Elective surgery? Physical therapy? There are plenty of slow roll medical issues that can survive a 16 hour plane trip.

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Post by mvid »

pentae wrote: post #279
steve_taylor wrote: post #25

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I’m seriously considering moving from Australia to a country that isn’t part of the Five Eyes.

I'm quite happy in Thailand. Good quality of life, internet that's 3-10x faster than Australia, great lifestyle and very competitive tax rates.

Isn't Thailand essentially a military dictatorship?

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Post by cyphar »

stephen_g wrote: post #266
episteme wrote: post #136

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Thank you for this, there is a lot of doomsaying in this thread but this reads to me that it would be possible to refuse requests based on these limitations.

They legislated the power to hand a developer a $50K fine and put them in jail for 10 years for refusing. And you can't tell anybody else about it, for them to back you up with their technical input etc. At the end of the day, if they tell you to do it, chances are you'll have to do it. And you can't complain to anybody.

As far as I can tell there isn't a criminal penalty for refusing, what version of the bill are you looking at? In the first reading and all the amendments I could see there is "just" a 230-odd penalty units fine (which is about $25k in NSW).

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Post by cyphar »

75dvtwin wrote: post #348

Australia -- the 1st world leader of the modern Progressive policies. 2018 -- citizens loose communication privacy protection [0] 2017 -- whistleblowers and dissidents are committed to mental institutions [1] 2016 -- citizens loose financial transaction privacy (the cashless society with finalized transition by 2020) [2] 1996 -- government confiscated all firearms from the hands of private, law abiding citizens Swede…

Australian gun control is completely unrelated to this debate. You can still get a gun license fairly easily, and it solved an actual problem (there hasn't been a mass shooting since).

I would argue that the passing of the antiterrorism acts in 2005 was a far more severe issue than the 2016 bill -- they basically removed hebeas corupus. Shit's been going on for much longer than you think.

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Post by cyphar »

magduf wrote: post #325
tossaccount123 wrote: post #289

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where? From what I've seen Europe, UK, USA, Canada, and especially China are all moving in this direction of more privacy intrusions. Considering the West has traditionally offered the most freedom for its citizens I'd say things are trending towards authoritarian governments

EU seems to be pretty concerned with data privacy, and they even have laws protecting it.

They have laws protecting individuals from companies, not the government. The GDPR has special exceptions for government investigations, and many EU countries have strong domestic spy agencies that spy on their citizens.
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