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Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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To anyone with a business from anywhere else in the world. Yes please do, publicly and loudly, cease to deal with us (Australia) due to the very real possibility that all of you private and commercially sensitive communications will be monitored and recorded (Also given the five eyes agreement shared with other countries.) Australia already have a history of using their spy services for commercial gain. https://en.m.…

God this is so true. I am so ashamed of our so-called representatives. Please, Apple, do what you know is right and disable all iPhones in Australia. Google, please do the same with Android. If you have a website, geoblock Australia from it. Quarantine us from the world. We are sick and will infect you all.

I can’t see Apple allowing the Australian government to dictate how they handle security... it’d destroy all confidence in their brand.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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They were going to supply a definition of "systemic weakness", but I can't find one in the bill itself. I'm patiently waiting for their proposed method of reading end-to-end encrypted messages without introducing a systemic weakness. But the meaning of words don't seem to matter anymore in the reality distortion field that is the Australian government. This is all supposedly to somehow make us more secure for Christm…

Indeed, the laws of mathematics make this impossible. Count yourself lucky to be living in a country where the laws of mathematics don't apply.

The laws of mathematics are "commendable", but they're nothing compared to Australian laws hurriedly passed 5 minutes before the Christmas holidays.

History will not remember these people well.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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This is another thing that adds to my deep sense of shame to live in this country (sadly, that list is long and growing). This bill does nothing to prevent the kinds of things it is intended to prevent. The apps this law targets were engineered specifically to prevent this kind of interference. The idea that passing legislation will suddenly change that, magically allowing decryption of messages is beyond idiotic. Th…

> It's beyond difficult to describe how ridiculous that is. Especially since ASIO (who really wanted this bill to pass) has stated that even if the bill passed today, they wouldn't have the necessary powers before Christmas.

So now any of the Five Eyes intelligence agencies can have a chat with ASIO and get them to coerce companies and individuals within companies to put these back doors in. Then they can all use the same back doors, so everyone living in the USA, UK, Canada, and New Zealand can have their encryption compromised and communications intercepted. There's no way that companies will create back doors specifically just for Australia, so everyone will have access.

In terms of Australia I'm not sure what we could actually do about this. Given that it's ASIO and other government departments that want these powers and that they have tried to introduce this sort of law over the course of the last decade. Both major parties have introduced legislation such as this and both voted for it. Maybe it is time for civil disobedience, and have everyone create and distribute encryption applications for all devices, because they couldn't possibly jail everyone right? I just wonder who will be the first person jailed or the first company fined for refusing these orders.

In terms of the world at large, which country should we trust now? A lot of the Western Democracies are becoming rapidly "security" focused authoritarian, and the other countries powerful enough to stand up to them are not much better. Should we trust applications with code written in Russia? What about hardware products manufactured in China? Should we trust services running in the USA? Now we also have to be wary of any company that runs a service in the Five Eyes countries.

Sometimes I wonder if we really have it better than people in the middle ages or other earlier periods, in some ways it clearly is, but in others it's just the same smell coming from different shit.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Can somebody write up a tutorial/guide on how to block all network communications (incoming or outgoing) with Australian IPs, on all or select ports, under common OSes (Windows, Linux, Mac, BSD).

Can't write the guide for you, but the raw material can be found here (and other places): http://www.ipdeny.com/ipblocks/data/aggregated/au-aggregated... That's a list of the (current) IPv4 Australian blocks. Each value (e.g. 1.0.4.0/22) can be used directly as a parameter for iptables on Linux, e.g. /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 1.0.4.0/22 -j DROP (to really block any communication - or use REJECT instead) A script to walk through the file works fine.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Not relevant, but I love the old-school spelling of "gaol". Is it still used anywhere or are you being whimsical?

Yes, Australia uses it still. e.g. Ballarat Gaol, Old Melbourne Gaol.

Ah, that's delightful.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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To paraphrase our PM, speaking on medical evacuation of children, "I will do whatever is possible to prevent it." Australia's government blocked legislation that would help kids not die. Because they came on a boat. Which has never been the primary way illegal immigrants get into this country. Nauru was declared a human rights travesty by the UN. The medical board that decides whether or not it is a medical emergency…

It is an absolute national shame. MSF recently likened the mental health of the people on Nauru to victims of torture.[1] The most disturbing aspect is the strong bipartisan and public support for the ongoing abuse. Every Australian should wake up in the morning, take a long hard look in the mirror and ask themselves if they're proud of what they've become. [1] https://www.msf.org.au/article/statements-opinion/indefi…

>The most disturbing aspect is the strong bipartisan and public support for the ongoing abuse.

Is there really public support? Everyone I've talked to thinks it's a disgrace.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Literally zero percent chance I touch any software made in Australia now.

This immensely stupid law applies to any business that operates in Australia, which includes Google, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Facebook, Github, and every other major tech company on the planet. If they want to continue doing business in Australia (and they very much do) then they'll be forced to comply, which means everybody in the world is negatively affected by this insanity.

If they want to continue doing business in Australia (and they very much do)

Meh. 25 million people, and not a top ten economy. Australia has a powerful reality distortion field that makes it seem more important than it is. Must be the tourist marketing and the fact that it punches above its weight in producing successful entertainers.

It’s more likely that WhatsApp and other encrypted messaging apps will just get pulled from the Australian App Store (if the Australian App Store remains in place, since it’s likely to be chosen as a distribution vector for compromised software).

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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+1 block us. Apple if you are reading this stop selling us iPhones. Australians need to feel the pain of this otherwise nothing will change. 1 billion dollars wiped from Atlassian already. I’m hoping the markets react more and destroy the industry here. Might want to assume that all Australian developers are now potentially compromised.

Possible it will go nowhere. How can Apple for example provide a backdoor for imessage which isn't a systemic weakness?

have the app store send a special version of the app or system update to robryan that as well as renders the message on the screen also sends it to the gov.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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+1 block us. Apple if you are reading this stop selling us iPhones. Australians need to feel the pain of this otherwise nothing will change. 1 billion dollars wiped from Atlassian already. I’m hoping the markets react more and destroy the industry here. Might want to assume that all Australian developers are now potentially compromised.

Possible it will go nowhere. How can Apple for example provide a backdoor for imessage which isn't a systemic weakness?

The intelligence service will request a special version of the software which will store the contents unencrypted, or decrypt the existing contents, or send information to a different server.

Then they will coerce a telecommunications provider to install this application on the targets machine (says nothing about having it installed on everybody's machine accidentally or otherwise).

Then they shall profit.

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