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Post by hvklos »

lettergram wrote: post #265
tossaccount123 wrote: post #227

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The government's primary goal is to protect itself and continue growing like cancer. In many ways the citizens are it's greatest threat because they can vote to cut budget and the power of the political elites. These laws are a way to increase monitoring of citizens so problems can be squashed before they grow too big and threaten the government. Make no mistake, with the rise of ML governments will be able to crush…

That’s a lot of the reason a large part of the US is pro gun. A few hundred people with weapons can cause so much pain they can negotiate with a nation (see the troubles in Ireland, especially near the end). Point is, so long as a populous is armed it can strike fear in the government. Australia doesn’t allow guns in its citizens hands any more. They gave up their rights, now the government can do what it wants witho…

How did that work out for you when the PATRIOT Act was passed?

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Post by [deleted] »

nate_meurer wrote: post #291
craigsmansion wrote: post #274

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> as a populous is armed it can strike fear in the government. Or it can shoot up a pre-school. Only one of these things actually happens outside of adolescent power fantasies.

So, had you lived at the time of the American Revolution, do you imagine yourself among the pretentious loyalists accusing the founding fathers of "adolescent power fantasies"?

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Post by Joakal »

brokenmachine wrote: post #126
nickcox wrote: post #95

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It is an absolute national shame. MSF recently likened the mental health of the people on Nauru to victims of torture.[1] The most disturbing aspect is the strong bipartisan and public support for the ongoing abuse. Every Australian should wake up in the morning, take a long hard look in the mirror and ask themselves if they're proud of what they've become. [1] https://www.msf.org.au/article/statements-opinion/indefi…

>The most disturbing aspect is the strong bipartisan and public support for the ongoing abuse. Is there really public support? Everyone I've talked to thinks it's a disgrace.

Some people say the efforts by Liberal/Labor are to discourage a lot more refugees from overwhelming Australia. Resulting in increased crime, less jobs, etc. They acknowledge that some will suffer in the process.

Other points I noticed: - Coming across as emotional about the harm and suffering on Nauru or escaping war, they will dismiss all arguments as immature and feel like they're being an adult to you. - Some are persuaded by increased economic activity and net welfare investment benefits but want more screening but wouldn't know how to do this effectively.

Source: Asking random people about policies. Some people you can try asking: mechanics, tradies, checkout people, business people, asking people who handout stuff for Liberal/Labor. To get a deep understanding, read their sources, any of the Murdoch rags or right wing morning shows (ie Alan Jones).

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Post by nyolfen »

craigsmansion wrote: post #296
nate_meurer wrote: post #291

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So, had you lived at the time of the American Revolution, do you imagine yourself among the pretentious loyalists accusing the founding fathers of "adolescent power fantasies"?

Surprisingly, I have not lived at the time of the American Revolution. Neither have you. Who we are contemporary with are the parents of a lot of dead kids; maybe you should explain to them the necessity of guns to protect them from harm. But keep on living in the past. If events like Sandy Hooks can't change your collective opinion, I doubt that anything will. It's all on your hands, you proud all-american weekend w…

we also have every country the US has gone to war with in half a century

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Post by cmroanirgo »

stephen_g wrote: post #264
anotherhuman0 wrote: post #201

Somebody over on Reddit [1] went through all the submissions (there was a consultation period) and summarised and tallied them [2]. Fully 99%+ of submissions were against the bill. A sad day for democracy indeed. A church in Tasmania was in favour, because child pornography. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/a3j466/assistanc... 2. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dowpZ_Xtr1N_DgkHJN8i...

Lots of people reporting that the offices of MPs and senators were inundated with calls today and over the last few days. Twitter was on fire too. Ignored, just like the expert testimony before the PJCIS. Who do these fools think they were representing? Today I watched my country's democracy die via livestream, with the words "Labor withdraws all amendments".

There's some seriously shady things going on for this bill to have seen the light of day.

For me, this was the 50tone block of concrete on the lead coffin on the rotting cadaver of a political system that serves humanity in a balanced manner.

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Post by cmroanirgo »

wallace_f wrote: post #276
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #260

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That so many people were against it?

Yea, that's what I meant. At least the people seemed to be overwhelmingly opposed to it, and trying to vote against it. RIP to internet points on that comment, lol.

Yeah, I too, read your comment in the -ve. Thanks for the clarification.

So, yeah, a great day for humanity that didn't want this.

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Post by bigiain »

daemin wrote: post #146
bigiain wrote: post #139

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And then somebody from inside will get a guilty conscience, but remember what happened to Snowden, and just sell the backdoor straight to Huawei or NSO or Mohamad bin Salem (salving themselves by pretending they're going to donate hundreds of millions to "improving the world", but instead will by private islands and matching citizenships to Peter Thiel's...) :sigh:

Realistically, if you were a developer not in the chain of command and asked to do this: Would you? Could you? You would be knowingly putting your name to a vulnerability, and if someone asks then you have to keep it a secret and feign incompetence. Then if they revert your change you'll have to re-implement it. If you do tell your superiors (which would be most likely what would happen, even before writing the code)…

I wonder what the legal implications of just quitting on the spot when asked might be?

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Post by bigiain »

daemin wrote: post #198
brokenmachine wrote: post #175

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If you think about logistics they'd have to make contact with people in the company to even find out who the devs are who are capable of making a backdoor. That would probably tip off others in the company as to what was happening anyway. You'd think they'd essentially have to serve the whole dev team with the secret order. I think you could immediately resign. It's not a slavery bill... is it?

There's LinkedIn, there's social media, there's actually keeping a record of who enters and leaves a company's premises. There's heading down to the bar after work on Friday. There's community events and meetups.

And there's the previous backdoors they got into BitBucket/Github/Gitlab/Mercurial/Perforce/etc. And,no doubt, the "LEO Portals" that FAANG and FAANG wannabes already have which they'll just hand over to Australian authorities (probably including local councils and the taxi commission, based on evidence about how the metadata retention powers have been used...)

After the first few times they use these new powers, the people who're gonna come asking are 99.9% likely to know exactly who the person who will write, commit, and code review the backdoor they're demanding... And their direct manager, and the management chain all the way to the C suite...

I think I need to quit this entire industry, maybe take up boatbuilding or something...

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Post by CompanionCuuube »

manicdee wrote: post #307
dimensi0nal wrote: post #299

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>gun control The Australian government definitely seems like the type of government that can be trusted with a monopoly on violence!

There’s no monopoly on violence. Gun laws are about who can’t have guns, not who can .

People have the idea that gun control affects who either can and can't have guns. They forget about the third possibility: Schroedinger's gun owner who is in a superposition of can and can't have guns at the same time.

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Post by brokenmachine »

cmroanirgo wrote: post #316
wallace_f wrote: post #276

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Yea, that's what I meant. At least the people seemed to be overwhelmingly opposed to it, and trying to vote against it. RIP to internet points on that comment, lol.

Yeah, I too, read your comment in the -ve. Thanks for the clarification. So, yeah, a great day for humanity that didn't want this.

A shitty day for humanity that didn't want this. FTFY.
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