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Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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What kicked this off the front page? Note that the most-upvoted post in the past month, critical of Google, was at the time mysteriously kicked off the front page as well.

Yeah, that was strange. But suddenly it went back from page 2 to the front page again, around pos. 15

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Can launches can be targeted (legally) to a country? The site is hosted in London and am already GDPR compliant - wonder if this is means it is not under Australian laws?

If you're not an Aussie company, and don't have any staff in Australia, then it's a long reach for them to do something to you. If you specifically reject all customers attempting to sign up from an Aussie IP address, or with an Aussie physical address (if you have that), then you're on pretty firm ground to tell them to piss off if they come knocking. But, y'know, I'm not a lawyer, and you might be subject to whatev…

I guess the poster child for this is Kim Dotcom. Launched a file sharing service from New Zealand that didn't break any NZ laws.

USA didn't like it though, and asked NZ to extradite him to face charges in the USA.

Legal battle still going, I think... but the business is dead.

I doubt Australia has that much clout, but you never know when an extradition will be the price of some favour to someone...

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Don't launch in Australia. Or don't launch in Europe. GDPR and this legislation are in direct conflict. Pick a market...

Nothing bad about GDPR, since it's actually made to protect citizens.

totally agree. Which means their contradiction of the Aussie rules means...

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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God this is so true. I am so ashamed of our so-called representatives. Please, Apple, do what you know is right and disable all iPhones in Australia. Google, please do the same with Android. If you have a website, geoblock Australia from it. Quarantine us from the world. We are sick and will infect you all.

I can’t see Apple allowing the Australian government to dictate how they handle security... it’d destroy all confidence in their brand.

They didn't let the pain-in-the-ass FBI go through their shit so hopefully they tell Australia to pound sand too.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Somebody over on Reddit [1] went through all the submissions (there was a consultation period) and summarised and tallied them [2]. Fully 99%+ of submissions were against the bill. A sad day for democracy indeed. A church in Tasmania was in favour, because child pornography. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/a3j466/assistanc... 2. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dowpZ_Xtr1N_DgkHJN8i...

A sad day for democracy, but this fact restores some faith in humanity.

A sad day for democracy, but this fact restores some faith in dictatorship.

FTFU

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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This is another thing that adds to my deep sense of shame to live in this country (sadly, that list is long and growing). This bill does nothing to prevent the kinds of things it is intended to prevent. The apps this law targets were engineered specifically to prevent this kind of interference. The idea that passing legislation will suddenly change that, magically allowing decryption of messages is beyond idiotic. Th…

The government's primary goal is to protect itself and continue growing like cancer. In many ways the citizens are it's greatest threat because they can vote to cut budget and the power of the political elites. These laws are a way to increase monitoring of citizens so problems can be squashed before they grow too big and threaten the government.

Make no mistake, with the rise of ML governments will be able to crush social movements in the nascent stage before they become too big to stop. People will be arrested for thought crimes because they posted the wrong thing on the wrong website. And currently a large number of people would cheer because the people getting arrested are on the "other" side of the political spectrum. Be careful what you wish for

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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How can someone know whether their software is compromised by this?

Officially, they can’t, but you can be absolutely certain that iMessage, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram are going to be immediately targeted with TCNs (technical capability notice), requiring them to bundle Australian government spyware and requiring that those apps send all conversations to the spyware.

I downvoted you because the bill explicitly says it excludes systemic changes that compromise security. Apps will not have systemic spyware, only specific users can be targeted.

Open source apps like Signal would be extremely hard to compromise since no one is going to allow a backdoor commit.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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What kicked this off the front page? Note that the most-upvoted post in the past month, critical of Google, was at the time mysteriously kicked off the front page as well.

I believe HN has a flame war detector that trips when the number of comments is greater than the number of votes, and pulls the submission off the front page. (I haven't looked, but this is probably what happened to the Google post as well.)

Since it's back on the front page now, I'd guess that the HN mods decided that this was important and un-tripped the detector.

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