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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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> you're always violating some law Exactly. Selective enforcement is indistinguishable from arbitrary arrest.

I don’t agree with this, selective enforcement at least has a ceiling of what you can be arrested for. Arbitrary arrest does not have such a ceiling.

As the size of a set of rules approaches infinity, it becomes indistinguishable from selective enforcement.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you're always violating some law Exactly. Selective enforcement is indistinguishable from arbitrary arrest.

I don’t agree with this, selective enforcement at least has a ceiling of what you can be arrested for. Arbitrary arrest does not have such a ceiling.

I think the above poster's point is that there are so many laws on the books that effectively everyone is above said ceiling. Thus, selective enforcement is functionally identical to arbitrary arrest.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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I also wonder what this is going to do to Canada's real estate market considering that Canada has basically been a "safe haven" for Chinese nationals to flock to basically launder their money.

It's sad how this has become a fact because it's insinuated enough times in the press by the same few reporters. First it was Chinese foreigners buying up all the real estate, but that was proven false. Now, it's all these foreigners are laundering their money. Yes, a few (although the RCMP is having trouble with their money laundering case) but not all. The press simplifies and that becomes the reality that everyone…

Just to remind you that a 1000 something square ft apartment in Shanghai's perimeters costs like 5 million rmb, that's 50 times the average income there, and in better areas, it easily costs 10 or 20 millions plus.

Think about it.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Maybe! Probably he should have known better, but that's beside the point. One can end up in jail by simply hiring nationals from sanctioned countries. This case is more clearcut in comparison. She was actually involved in exporting American technology to Iran.

Hmm. You keep forgetting the important bit. Let me help you out again. "One can end up in jail by simply hiring nationals from sanctioned countries and then giving them access to documents pertaining to US military technology ." This doesn't just happen to any random employer or any random professor. It happens when you are working for the DoD and you do something you shouldn't. If you don't want to run afoul of such…

>and then giving them access to documents pertaining to US military technology

Not true! Once a technology is deemed to fall under ITAR or EAR, the export regulations kick in. Doesn't matter if the technology belongs to the government, a large company, a startup, or a university lab. And for obvious reasons, sometimes people are not aware this fact.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

1. The US charge is "shipping U.S.-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws" 2. Canada has similar embargo laws on the books. 3. Canada has a multi-lateral extradition treaty with the US 4. The crime is considered serious with a maximum penalty (in the US) of up to 20 years in prison plus substantial monetary fines. So she's accused of a serious crime in the US that's…

A trade embargo does nothing if any middleman can funnel goods and money across by simply misrepresenting or omitting details about where the goods are going.

If I’m wholesaling Cisco routers and they show up in Syria or Iran, and Cisco and I can prove we didn’t know how they got there , that still doesn’t make it okay.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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In case people aren't aware, Canadian-Iranian relations aren't exactly in a good place right now.[1] Extraditing someone to the US for violating US sanctions against Iran aligns pretty well with Canada's interests right now. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93Iran_relations

Huawei also has a large R&D presence in Canada. Maintaining good relations with Huawei is more in Canada's interest.

I take deep umbrage at the suggestion that my country and government would choose corporate money over the global democratic order.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we're all used to the fiction that we live in a world that's totally governed by fairness and laws. That's been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that's basically been how it's worked. But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US e…

Seriously. It's this fiction that makes me believe that, despite it's flaws, America (along with other democratic countries) is a beacon compared to the rest of the world. A country locking up a foreigner for breaking their laws is so different than a country locking up said foreigner out of retaliation, which is what I imagine China will end up doing.

China can always pass a necessary law so that Western citizen will become guilty in full accordance with the law. And US can do the same. There is no difference.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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post #118
post #76

In case people aren't aware, Canadian-Iranian relations aren't exactly in a good place right now.[1] Extraditing someone to the US for violating US sanctions against Iran aligns pretty well with Canada's interests right now. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93Iran_relations

Huawei also has a large R&D presence in Canada. Maintaining good relations with Huawei is more in Canada's interest.

Seriously? Canada will try to maintain R&D for Huawei vs. risking their relationship with US? Don't say the answer - we know it.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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post #64

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But on general grounds, why a Chinese company should comply with sanctions between US and Iran? And why a fourth country is arresting Chinese citizens violating US rules? I am sure most of us break UAE laws on being with members of opposite gender without a chaperone and even post pictures of class reunions, etc. But I'm not expecting to be arrested for this while visiting, say, Sweden.

> why a Chinese company should comply with sanctions between US and Iran? And why a fourth country is arresting Chinese citizens violating US rules? Huawei stole a Canadian company's technology [1], markets products in America [2], has issued dollar-denominated debt [3] and then went and violated sanctions in dollar-denominated transactions. This is a far cry from extraterritorial enforcement for either the U.S. or C…

So if some Western company would trade with Ukraine or Georgia in violation of Russian sanctions, should their representatives be arrested and extradited to Russia?

Also, after Russia-Ukraine conflict many Ukranian politicians are under a criminal investigation in Russia (and I guess Russian politicians are investigated in Ukraine). Should they be extradited too?

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree with this, selective enforcement at least has a ceiling of what you can be arrested for. Arbitrary arrest does not have such a ceiling.

I think the above poster's point is that there are so many laws on the books that effectively everyone is above said ceiling. Thus, selective enforcement is functionally identical to arbitrary arrest.

No, because the fine, jail time, and infamy of "public noodle eating" or whatever has a hard cap. Selective enforcement can only get harassers so far.

China's harassers get to use the much more powerful "lock up whoever I want for no reason at all, forever"

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