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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Hi there, just want to remind you of the HN guidelines: Please don't insinuate that someone hasn't read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." I'm sure you forgot. We all make mistakes.

I have mixed feelings about this rule because it genuinely feels like the majority of comments come from people who aren't reading most of the article. For example, this article here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18476805 ...is just dominated by people that didn't read to the end. The top complaint is treating the article as if it isn't facetious (it is.) That does get very frustrating. I understand the premi…

The overlooked piece wasn't at the end. It was after the end, hidden behind a little quiz.

Sarcasm is annoying, and prone to misinterpretation. That's not the fault of the reader who took the author at face value.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we're all used to the fiction that we live in a world that's totally governed by fairness and laws. That's been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that's basically been how it's worked. But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US e…

Seriously. It's this fiction that makes me believe that, despite it's flaws, America (along with other democratic countries) is a beacon compared to the rest of the world. A country locking up a foreigner for breaking their laws is so different than a country locking up said foreigner out of retaliation, which is what I imagine China will end up doing.

Don’t read up on extraordinary renditions then. It’s rather sobering.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/1...

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

Really? There are extradition agreements between Canada and he US... let’s say you murder someone. You can’t just leave the country and expect the new host to not care! What she is alleged to have done would be a crime in Canada too so her nationality isn’t relevant.

Is she personally alleged to have done anything?

It seems the only allegations are against Huawei, of which sh is just one of many board members, and there's a good chance she wasn't even involved with the deal the allegation is concerning.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Did you read the article? US is alleging Huawei was shipping "U.S.-origin" products to Iran - probably U.S. made components for Huawei devices/technology. What "authority" do you need to ask for a favor from a friendly ally? Canada also has active economic sanctions against Iran.

I wonder if the type of component used even matters. What if the us origin component was a plastic bezel, a screw or some peice of sheet metal in the chassis...

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

1. The US charge is "shipping U.S.-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws"

2. Canada has similar embargo laws on the books.

3. Canada has a multi-lateral extradition treaty with the US

4. The crime is considered serious with a maximum penalty (in the US) of up to 20 years in prison plus substantial monetary fines.

So she's accused of a serious crime in the US that's also recognized as a crime in Canada, and the countries have an extradition treaty.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Seriously. It's this fiction that makes me believe that, despite it's flaws, America (along with other democratic countries) is a beacon compared to the rest of the world. A country locking up a foreigner for breaking their laws is so different than a country locking up said foreigner out of retaliation, which is what I imagine China will end up doing.

> A country locking up a foreigner for breaking their laws It is absolutely crazy to think that US law should apply worldwide. The article does not even mention if Wanzhou Meng is US citizen who broke US law in the US. This case might be retaliation and fear mongering similar to the case of Julian Assange which is pure retaliation and fear mongering.

> It is absolutely crazy to think that US law should apply worldwide

Don't steal a Canadian company's technology [1], market products in America [2], issue dollar-denominated debt [3] and then violate sanctions in dollar-denominated transactions, and the U.S. and Canada will probably leave you alone.

[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/former-nortel-exec-warns-ag...

[2] https://www.huawei.com/us/

[3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2018/04/26/huawei-...

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

What I would like to know is how deals like this go down? Like does the US have some sort of agreement/incentive with Canada for them to spend their own effort on this? The US calling Canada on the phone and asking them to arrest someone they want seems too.. easy? I imagine there's a limit where goodwill only gets you so far, and then some sort of compensation is expected. Maybe there's a lot of backdoor Gov2Gov mon…

If you search for "US canada extradiction treaty" you'll find there have been multiple treaties between both countries. It's fair well documented law.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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> But yeah, if this is the game that the nations are going to play, then you don't want to be the poor schmuck sitting in a Chinese prison for 10 years just so they can make a point. Facilitating deals with Iran to deliver US products in defiance of US sanctions seems like something the average schmuck hopefully isn't getting mixed up in. It's not quite the same as accidentally violating some random domestic business…

But on general grounds, why a Chinese company should comply with sanctions between US and Iran? And why a fourth country is arresting Chinese citizens violating US rules? I am sure most of us break UAE laws on being with members of opposite gender without a chaperone and even post pictures of class reunions, etc. But I'm not expecting to be arrested for this while visiting, say, Sweden.

> why a Chinese company should comply with sanctions between US and Iran? And why a fourth country is arresting Chinese citizens violating US rules?

Huawei stole a Canadian company's technology [1], markets products in America [2], has issued dollar-denominated debt [3] and then went and violated sanctions in dollar-denominated transactions. This is a far cry from extraterritorial enforcement for either the U.S. or Canada.

[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/former-nortel-exec-warns-ag...

[2] https://www.huawei.com/us/

[3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2018/04/26/huawei-...

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

#129
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Seriously. It's this fiction that makes me believe that, despite it's flaws, America (along with other democratic countries) is a beacon compared to the rest of the world. A country locking up a foreigner for breaking their laws is so different than a country locking up said foreigner out of retaliation, which is what I imagine China will end up doing.

The problem is this, you're always violating some law. Even in the US, there are over 20,000 laws and regulations at the federal level alone. In China, there are even more. Any small foreign operator in China naive enough to assert with 100% confidence that they are not in violation of any of those codes is being dangerously foolish. So here's the thing, I actually agree with you. What China will do, they will do out…

You're off by several orders of magnitude. Last I checked, we're seeing 600,000+ regulations that have the force of law published _every_ year.
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