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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by wonthegame »

londons_explore wrote: post #123
wonthegame wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? There are extradition agreements between Canada and he US... let’s say you murder someone. You can’t just leave the country and expect the new host to not care! What she is alleged to have done would be a crime in Canada too so her nationality isn’t relevant.

Is she personally alleged to have done anything? It seems the only allegations are against Huawei, of which sh is just one of many board members, and there's a good chance she wasn't even involved with the deal the allegation is concerning.

She's the Chief Financial Officer which means she is at the top. She is an extension of the company and responsible for the companies financial decisions - which would include concerns related to sanctions.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by colechristensen »

namirez wrote: post #95
fastball wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that it was a USAF drone project which he hired them for seems salient, no?

Maybe! Probably he should have known better, but that's beside the point. One can end up in jail by simply hiring nationals from sanctioned countries. This case is more clearcut in comparison. She was actually involved in exporting American technology to Iran.

"Exporting" technology for these sorts of legal purposes can be as simple as allowing a foreign national to see a document in passing. Punishment can range from "good job admitting it promptly" to decades in prison.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by ajross »

spenvo wrote: post #132
ticmasta wrote: post #125

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1. The US charge is "shipping U.S.-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws" 2. Canada has similar embargo laws on the books. 3. Canada has a multi-lateral extradition treaty with the US 4. The crime is considered serious with a maximum penalty (in the US) of up to 20 years in prison plus substantial monetary fines. So she's accused of a serious crime in the US that's…

Could that product be Android or does Huawei use a non-Play store version that is exempted?

You could try to make a case about Android, but as you posit an open source internationally available source base would be hard to prosecute.

This is surely about hardware.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by mr_toad »

khuey wrote: post #49
anonymous5133 wrote: post #30

I also wonder what this is going to do to Canada's real estate market considering that Canada has basically been a "safe haven" for Chinese nationals to flock to basically launder their money.

Probably nothing. The Chinese looking at Canada as "a safe haven" are worried about their own government, not Canada's.

On the other hand, Canadians who have helped Chinese people circumvent Chinese capital controls might want to think carefully about their holiday plans.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by late2part »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #128
ptero wrote: post #64

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But on general grounds, why a Chinese company should comply with sanctions between US and Iran? And why a fourth country is arresting Chinese citizens violating US rules? I am sure most of us break UAE laws on being with members of opposite gender without a chaperone and even post pictures of class reunions, etc. But I'm not expecting to be arrested for this while visiting, say, Sweden.

> why a Chinese company should comply with sanctions between US and Iran? And why a fourth country is arresting Chinese citizens violating US rules? Huawei stole a Canadian company's technology [1], markets products in America [2], has issued dollar-denominated debt [3] and then went and violated sanctions in dollar-denominated transactions. This is a far cry from extraterritorial enforcement for either the U.S. or C…

Stole Cisco code as well I hear?

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Post by fspeech »

gtirloni wrote: post #115
lustysocietyorg wrote: post #102

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> A country locking up a foreigner for breaking their laws It is absolutely crazy to think that US law should apply worldwide. The article does not even mention if Wanzhou Meng is US citizen who broke US law in the US. This case might be retaliation and fear mongering similar to the case of Julian Assange which is pure retaliation and fear mongering.

If you want to do business with the US, there are certain conditions they'd like to enforce (e.g. don't resell their stuff to a list of countries). That's simple. The other reality is that certain countries have cooperation agreements where they feel their laws are compatible enough that they agree to extradite individuals that break those laws. Seems pretty standard business to me. If you know you're violating a hig…

Pretty sure she would not travel to Canada knowing that an arrest warrant is outstanding. Why is it kept secret? Is it that important to nab her? Could be a huge headache for Canada.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

wtfstatists wrote: post #146
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why a Chinese company should comply with sanctions between US and Iran? And why a fourth country is arresting Chinese citizens violating US rules? Huawei stole a Canadian company's technology [1], markets products in America [2], has issued dollar-denominated debt [3] and then went and violated sanctions in dollar-denominated transactions. This is a far cry from extraterritorial enforcement for either the U.S. or C…

> Huawei stole a Canadian company's technology Then Canada gets to do the arresting and jailing. Re next 2 points: If you want to justify violance you need stronger triggers. Those 2 just give the US right to ban the Huawei from country or using the USD. This looks like US doing it because it can. But then US is not facing USSR whose going to die from self-inflicted wounds. China have the most capitalist companies (A…

> then Canada gets to do the arresting

That’s...what happened.

> if you want to justify violance you need stronger triggers

Violating sanctions is a criminal offense under U.S. and Canadian law. Huawei chose to do business in America and Canada. Its executive chose to travel to Canada.

This is a difficult story to mangle into a morality play.

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Post by blattimwind »

cwkoss wrote: post #55
estsauver wrote: post #22

I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we're all used to the fiction that we live in a world that's totally governed by fairness and laws. That's been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that's basically been how it's worked. But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US e…

Realpolitik seems like the ideology of fuck you money.

The whole point of Realpolitik is that it isn't about ideology M(

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by azernik »

comboy wrote: post #27
chapium wrote: post #10

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She allegedly broke US law and was in the territory of a country that shares an extradition treaty with the US.

How sure can I be if my company is not breaking any Chinese laws? Would it by fine if I get arrested for breaking those when I'm on a trip to Asia? I'm not saying that Huawei is innocent, I just agree with the downvoted comment that the situation seems ridiculous.

Which is why a) China hasn't managed to get a whole lot of extradition treaties signed, and b) those treaties generally have exemptions for crimes that are considered "political".

The unusual thing is that the Canada-US extradition treaty allows extradition on such a "political" offense, but that's probably mostly down to the US and Canada having the same position on Iran.

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Post by TallGuyShort »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #16
fosk wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

The article suggests she took US-made products and routed them to Iran through Huawei. That's a US crime, and the US can issue a warrant for her arrest, and if she shows up in a country with extradition to the US, she can get arrested. Which is apparently what happened.

Huh - I always assumed that extradition treaties only applied to people traveling on passports of the relevant country.
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