Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver • Hacker News Board

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by amingilani » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:39 PM UTC

fosk wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

This comment is getting a lot of downvotes for a fairly straightforward question, so I just want to remind everyone about one of the HN guidelines:

Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by estsauver » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we're all used to the fiction that we live in a world that's totally governed by fairness and laws. That's been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that's basically been how it's worked.

But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US executive for some company is arrested in the two years while visiting China.

EDIT:

There's another comment here asking how it's possibly legal for the US to do this. Whether you believe it or not, it's useful to know that the philosophy much of our state department believes in is called Realpolitik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik). It doesn't really matter what the law says or what treaties we've signed, the primary thing that matters for the US is what's pragmatic for it at the moment.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by donohoe » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

cedivad wrote: post #9

donohoe wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't have any. They asked Canada to arrest her and they agreed to do it.

Just watch them come up with something.

Not sure what you mean. They have come up with something - violating sanctions against Iran.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by DannyBee » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

fosk wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

in which you discover that international law, in the end, has no natural source of authority in the same way domestic law does.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by amingilani » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

dawhizkid wrote: post #12

fosk wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

Did you read the article? US is alleging Huawei was shipping "U.S.-origin" products to Iran - probably U.S. made components for Huawei devices/technology. What "authority" do you need to ask for a favor from a friendly ally? Canada also has active economic sanctions against Iran.

Hi there, just want to remind you of the HN guidelines:

Please don't insinuate that someone hasn't read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."

I'm sure you forgot. We all make mistakes.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by frabbit » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:42 PM UTC

dawhizkid wrote: post #12

fosk wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

Did you read the article? US is alleging Huawei was shipping "U.S.-origin" products to Iran - probably U.S. made components for Huawei devices/technology. What "authority" do you need to ask for a favor from a friendly ally? Canada also has active economic sanctions against Iran.

But Iran is a sovereign nation, bravely resisting US/Israeli attempts to turn the entire Middle East into a flaming hell pit. Surely Canada should have told them to go and take a flying leap?

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by comboy » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:42 PM UTC

chapium wrote: post #10

fosk wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

She allegedly broke US law and was in the territory of a country that shares an extradition treaty with the US.

How sure can I be if my company is not breaking any Chinese laws? Would it by fine if I get arrested for breaking those when I'm on a trip to Asia?

I'm not saying that Huawei is innocent, I just agree with the downvoted comment that the situation seems ridiculous.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by frabbit » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:44 PM UTC

ucaetano wrote: post #7

fosk wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

They can ask Canada to do so, usually through legal cooperation/assistance agreements. But it remains Canada's decision to help or not.

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:46 PM UTC

amingilani wrote: post #25

dawhizkid wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? US is alleging Huawei was shipping "U.S.-origin" products to Iran - probably U.S. made components for Huawei devices/technology. What "authority" do you need to ask for a favor from a friendly ally? Canada also has active economic sanctions against Iran.

Hi there, just want to remind you of the HN guidelines: Please don't insinuate that someone hasn't read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." I'm sure you forgot. We all make mistakes.

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by anonymous5133 » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:46 PM UTC

I also wonder what this is going to do to Canada's real estate market considering that Canada has basically been a "safe haven" for Chinese nationals to flock to basically launder their money.