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Thieves boosting signal from key fobs inside homes to steal vehicles

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Re: Thieves boosting signal from key fobs inside homes to steal vehicles

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IIRC for the Audi 5000s it was because the brake and throttle were too close and your foot or floormat frequently got stuck on top of the throttle. People would shift out of park not realizing this and go flying, not any kind of software or security issue.

You are correct it was mechanical, I was just drawing a connection that mandatory recalls exist for issues the auto industry is use to (I.E. mechanical), but nothing exists to track and force updates to software issues (like a CVE database, Perhaps something does exist and I have not heard of it) and have not in the past been the best at software assurance. It is kind of an apples to oranges comparison, but nonethele…

They don't issue recalls for every mechanical catastrophe, and they don't ignore them for software issues either. When an automaker has a problem that merits a recall, it's because very careful accounting has indicated it is cheaper to roll out the recall than it would be to litigate or settle in court, not from any kind of good faith action. Even Audi would have never had that recall if only just a handful of people were injured or died from the issue.

Re: Thieves boosting signal from key fobs inside homes to steal vehicles

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But then my mom would have to dump out her purse every time she wanted to unlock her car.

How does she unlock her front door?

I imagine a lot of people don't use a key to get in their house, nor do they use the front door. Hit the button on the garage door remote, drive in, walk into house.

Re: Thieves boosting signal from key fobs inside homes to steal vehicles

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Ah, yes, let's put the burden back on the user after we promised them something easier. We should just go back to traditional keys if this is the case.

Please yes. Traditional keys fit on my keyring, can survive the clothes washer, don't unlock doors by accident, can open a car with a dead battery, don't have their own battery issues, and can be brought into restricted work environments where radio transmitters are banned. I want key holes in all doors. I want to insert a key to start the car.

About half of those problems don't really exist, in my opinion. I've washed the keyfob (it is waterproof), it has a built in key if the car battery is ever dead, I've never actually had to replace a fob battery. Personally I don't carry any keys so having a small round-ish object in my pocket that doesn't stab me in the leg when I sit down is a preferable situation.

Re: Thieves boosting signal from key fobs inside homes to steal vehicles

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post #107

The article recommends putting your fob upstairs or as far away as possible, but that seems like false security. What's considered a safe distance? How far away can they pick up the signal?

I'm sure if you stick a fob up your ass it'll dampen the signal a bit too.

Or you know, maybe put a button on the fob.

Re: Thieves boosting signal from key fobs inside homes to steal vehicles

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It's standard with many "premium" brands (e.g. BMW, Audi, ...)

My 2015 Kia has it. It is pretty much standard across all cars now days, except maybe the very bottom of the line models.

Whew, my 2014 Camry does not have it. Dodged the bullet.

Re: Thieves boosting signal from key fobs inside homes to steal vehicles

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I disagree. A physical switch on the key itself which opened a circuit to the decryption key would mean the key would need to physically be in the possession of the driver.

This eliminates all of the convenience of keyless entry/start.

Isn't "keyless entry" basically same concept as "not locking a door"? You can trivially implement it on every vehicle without using any electronics at all.

Re: Thieves boosting signal from key fobs inside homes to steal vehicles

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post #204

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I'm not sure if this is a joke about old keys being better, but I'd argue you could have the benefits of new keys and old keys combined if you just made it so that new keys have to be inserted into some compartment inside of cars, where they are authenticated by those cars. You can imagine a fob with a USB that has a different authentication code than the wireless one it sends out, and unless the USB is plugged into…

Yes, I was making a joke, but I was also semi-serious. I personally wouldn't mind that the car unlocks based on the fob's proximity, but requires insertion of the key for ignition. I currently drive a 2009 car with the usual key fob and my biggest issue with it is not having to insert it to start the car, but unlocking the doors while my hands are full. Once I'm seated in the driver's seat I'm not carrying anything a…

My problem with modern cars is that there’s no good place to put the keys. They’re uncomfy in my pocket when sitting down and I’m too warm for a jacket with pockets.

The old ignition hole was the perfect solution. You had a dedicated spot for your keys, you always knew where they are, were unlikely to forget them in the car, and it also happened to start your engine. Perfect

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