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YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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Pewdiepie definitely diverges strongly from Felix‘ IRL persona. Pewdiepie is an outgoing personality with misogynistic tendencies, playing with racial slurs every now and then, appealing to his Reddit/4chanish/incel followers (whom he now calls army of 9 year olds). IRL he seems to be awkward around other people, soft (nice), and obviously a bit depressed.

I've watched pewdiepie vids and think they're completely retarded but pewdiepie as a person is a genius because he knows the largest demographic on youtube are immature youngsters who have tons of time to watch youtube. So he creates content to cater to that demographic's quirks.

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My GF is an elementary school teacher and she says the amount of kids who are developing anti-social behaviors is increasing pretty rapidly. Kids these days have computers and are basically simply "escaping" to the internet to live in a fantasy world that is disconnected from reality. Some even display active addictions to computer games, like minecraft, while others say they only have friends online in the games or…

I grew up during the transition. Before I had regular access to technology I spent most of my after-school and recess time staring off into space, pacing around constructing imaginary worlds, and reading YA fiction. I had no interest in my peers, and no idea how to connect with them, years before I ever touched a computer. When I finally did get into the internet, and programming, it was manna from heaven. Now I get…

I also grew up during the transition. We didn't have Internet in the house until I was 14, and even then my computer time was limited. My story is similar to yours. I had a few neighborhood friendships that only worked out because I was able to tell them what I wanted them to do. Otherwise, interactions with my own age group were never 2-way: if they didn't want to do what I wanted to do the way that I wanted to do it, I just went off on my own and was perfectly content.

In my teen years I spent most of my time writing, reading, or walking wherever. Again, I had a few friends, but I was picky and apart from that didn't care to "maintain" the friendships. When I started using the Internet more frequently, I found more passive friendships online that came and went and this was a much better solution for me. It meant I could connect when I wanted to, and instantly end the connection when I wanted to be alone, without much risk.

I probably sound a little more pathological than you, but my point is that some people just are a certain way. Apart from that there are external reasons why kids prefer the Internet to in-person interaction. The Internet as a solution came about for a reason. The world is so populated now that when one walks down the street, your neighbors are unkind or elusive because people cannot keep up with so many relationships at once. Trains are packed, everyone's chattering, everyone's rushing, there are people everywhere but no one is communicating-- there's no time or energy to connect with people. Some guy on the train is crying, but no one is going to comfort him because everyone has so much shit going on. The Internet, in one sense, is a way to reconnect with one's neighbors intimately while keeping a sane distance. If a guy on reddit is telling me he's crying, I instantly attempt to comfort him.

It's a weird thing, for sure. But, personally, I don't see an easy way around it in the short-term.

Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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Computers, internet, youtube, games - these things are a part of a real world. I mean, they aren't a hallucination, they don't exist on a separate plane of reality. Experiences are real, joy they bring is real, and for many people, it's far better than what the "real" world around them has to offer. If people are tempted to escape into a virtual world, it might be because the real world around them sucks.

Technology is designed as a hyperstimulus. The real world (suffering aside) sucks the same way fruit sucks compared with candy.

I don't think that's a good, general comparison. Depends on what you're doing online.

I spend my time online reading about my interests or talking to other people. In the outside world, the conversations I have are short and often unfulfilling. People are more open online and I really value that kind of open introspection with others. It's difficult to find information about my interests outside of the Internet as well, unless I go to the library which, for me, is at least an hour commute.

Lots of people are learning how to use the Internet productively because as we migrate our time from physical reality to virtual reality, we crave more corresponding meaning.

The real world sucks for me sometimes (y'know, apart from nature walks and the like) because it's not the apple it's the candy. It feels fake, empty, and lifeless.

Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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What I find interesting is that many of these youtubers have created personas to appeal to their audience, like true entertainers. However loyal viewers are fooled into this false sense of reality, where they are friends with content creator and this is not a persona at all, he's my friend. Over time, the content creator and the audience share so many moments together, it becomes an emotional bond and a substitute fo…

My GF is an elementary school teacher and she says the amount of kids who are developing anti-social behaviors is increasing pretty rapidly. Kids these days have computers and are basically simply "escaping" to the internet to live in a fantasy world that is disconnected from reality. Some even display active addictions to computer games, like minecraft, while others say they only have friends online in the games or…

They escape because our society is corrupt and failing

Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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> My GF is an elementary school teacher and she says Respectfully, I've spent a _great deal of time_ with elementary school teachers, and many appear very very willing to diagnose random children, adults, and coworkers as being "a bit autistic", and so on. In addition, and assuming wildly here, how old is she? If you're the HN average of about 30, and she's about your age, she doesn't really have a cross-generational…

Seriously, let’s be real. How much experience does this elementary school teacher have with the previous generation? None, probably. Through all of time we’ve heard this. The current generation is supposedly rubbish in some way the previous generation was not. Instead it’s been the opposite. Each succeeding generation has surpassed the previous in any human quality. I have immense confidence that our collective child…

I have the same outlook. There are bad points in every generation, but groups of people don't get arbitrarily worse because they were born together at a certain point in time. Every generation faces a new challenge, and every generation attempts to overcome it, usually with unique results. Previous generations have no concept of the challenges their kids and grandkids face.

I'm a millenial, and my partner's parents, stereotypically, are always going off about how lazy, whiny, and unmotivated my generation is. From where I stand it's the complete opposite. I could explain why but, at the risk of starting a debate about millenials, I'll just say that my generation has been working on solutions to problems our parents either didn't have to deal with, or weren't aware of. And that's just the way "generations" work.

Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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What I find interesting is that many of these youtubers have created personas to appeal to their audience, like true entertainers. However loyal viewers are fooled into this false sense of reality, where they are friends with content creator and this is not a persona at all, he's my friend. Over time, the content creator and the audience share so many moments together, it becomes an emotional bond and a substitute fo…

My GF is an elementary school teacher and she says the amount of kids who are developing anti-social behaviors is increasing pretty rapidly. Kids these days have computers and are basically simply "escaping" to the internet to live in a fantasy world that is disconnected from reality. Some even display active addictions to computer games, like minecraft, while others say they only have friends online in the games or…

Before my household had internet I was nose deep in a book 24/7, never leaving my room, and I had no friends at all.

Post-internet I at least had friends, sure some were in the Netherlands, or Germany, or Australia, or Brazil, or Japan but they were people. Actual people that existed outside of the fantasy novels I would read. People that as an adult, I was able to travel to and visit. I have a job in web development, something that wouldn't even exist without the internet.

I owe essentially 100% of my "successful adult life" to the internet existing. Without it I'd likely be working a minimum wage job at a local fast food chain without a single friend to speak of. Merely existing and reading books.

I blame helicopter parents like my mother far more than I blame access to the internet.

What about the giant scare of strangers that flared up in the 90s? Every stranger is a potential murderer/rapist and you shouldn't speak to them. Children not being allowed to travel outside alone, the rise of "helicopter parenting". Even if you allow your child to go outside it's increasingly unlikely they'll meet another child because other parents don't let their children go outside. When I was younger I remember always seeing parks full of unsupervised kids playing. Most parks I see now are empty. Or maybe a parent watching their kid(s) play on the equipment.

Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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You, me, any other. We all like to laugh but we know that life is beyond that. That's why we have schools that teach history, physics, chemistry, math, geography, ... instead of teaching nail arts, hair styling, parkour etc. Also, if you travel the world a bit, you'll easy see how most "mean acculturated" countries offer generally a better life quality, life expectancy etc.

Actually, I have to shoot you down on that one. There are "beauty schools" that teach nail arts, hair styling, makeup, etc. Want to know something really interesting? The people you're shitting on that go into those schools, have a better placement rate of finding jobs and are generally happier than those that go into the "classical" education routes. Plus, the beauticians can make pretty good money too. Have you see…

At nazi times in Germany if you have joined nazi's party earlier and you participate in many nazi's related activities you'll get rewarded far more than "traditional citizen", perhaps with a humanistic degree... In actual Russian federation if you have the "right friend" and you keep saying that Putin is a good man you'll certainly get better rewards respect of a journalist that say government is corrupted and actual president is a dictator. In my home-country (Italy) if you have some friends in Catholic church or you are in some catholic association you have better chances to get paid more, have more customers, have less bureaucratic problems than a well known atheist or agnostic etc.

I do not say that nail art should not exists, only that reward you get from it should be proportionate to what you give to our society so I expect that a good plumber being rewarded more than a nail artist. Simple as that.

On different countries comparison, I'm living in French, have lived in Italy, Sweden, a bit of stay in USA, UK, CZ and Rus. I compare plus and minus I see in all that countries and that's my conclusions. Never attended a "liberal art class".

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A small point: did anybody notice how this reward mechanism prize the "idiocy" far more than the "knowledge"? I mean most followed YT channels, most upvotes on FB etc are about "brainless things", "brainless contents" vs valuable technical or cultural contents. An YT channel about "just for laugh" or "sport" or "how to decorate nails" have FAR more subscribers and viewers than a tech, historic, physics, ... DIY chann…

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Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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I just watched a few minutes of "Ryan disappear[s] through a Secret Portal in the house to the North Pole" and am thoroughly impressed. Clearly a lot goes into the concepts, sets, and overall production of these videos. I don't know all of the details, but I can imagine how building a business like this could be one of the cooler ways for a family to spend quality time together.

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but that video was honestly minimal amount of effort when it came to effects, sets and production. There are channels on Youtube with a fraction of the following that produce content orders of magnitude more professional than that. This kind of video can be made by some amateur producer in their bedroom. Considering they make 22M, you'd really think they'd spend money on at least…

  Considering they make 22M, you'd really think
  they'd spend money on at least getting a single
  professional video editor
I've heard it claimed that many youtubers get locked into their day 1 aesthetic and intentionally avoid changing their winning formula.

If your videos shot in your bedroom with a single fixed camera on a tripod, no staff and basic editing are making you $15 million a year, why fix what isn't broken?

Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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And the last century has shown us that while the preference for candy/sugar might have created a big obesity problem, we're still around and there's no going back. The jury is still out whether or not it's inherently bad. Not being online-savy would put me at a social disadvantage. I'm in my early 20s. My impression is that it's only more so for younger ones. When people talk of "real-world social skills" they usuall…

Exists something call moderation, it works both for online presence and for candies. Eating 300 kcals of candies in one day every day will not have a bad effect on you (if the rest of the diet is good), same as checking your Facebook account for 1 hour every day (in 5 minutes interval every 1-2 hours), I disabled every notification from Facebook et similar, and I check them only when I have nothing else to do, and I…

Moderation clearly does not work for society at large.
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