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Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

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Re: Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

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danesparza wrote: post #61
YorkshireSeason wrote: post #47

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Why can't these men just learn Look what you have not said: "Why can't these women just learn ..." Somewhow you only seem to require men to do things? Are you arguing that it's acceptable for women falsely to accuse men? Ask yourself: what have you done to ensure that women not falsely accuse men? Have you had "the talk" with your daughters about false accusations?

The men are in a position of power. Side note: How many women have been accused of sexual harassment?

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Re: Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

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Post by neaden »

asianthrowaway wrote: post #68

I always wondered, why don't women get very harsh sentences if they get caught making up false rape allegations? I think that would discourage that sort of behavior and sort of balance things out.

It would lead to pretty much every man accused of rape with threatening to sue/press charges against their accuser and further stigmatize rape victims and lower the number who come forward.

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Post by CiPHPerCoder »

sk4rekr0w wrote: post #98
CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #82

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> You can't take an average and apply it to a specific situation. In the absence of a more focused study, it's the best we have. Do you have an alternative study to link to?

I'm not aware of a study - but that doesn't mean you default to bad math.

I'd use "better" math if it were available. Until then, I'm going to use the best tool for the job, even if it's "bad".

To that end, I refuse to make perfect the enemy of good.

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Post by neaden »

glbrew wrote: post #45
eigenspace wrote: post #14

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Glad to see we're progressing to the enlightened gender policies of the middle east /s

I'm not defending their gender policies per se but I am increasingly jealous of societies that actually have a culture other than neoliberalism. Every society has its faults but I'm seriously wondering if ours may be much greater than those we love to attack (like the middle east). At least they have large cohesive families they live close to, share meals with, enjoy traditions with. It seems like most Americans don'…

Yeah, here in America I can't go with my family to a nice public stoning of an adulterous woman. I just have to settle for my wife being allowed to drive on her own and have meaningful rights.

Re: Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

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Post by hodgesrm »

csense wrote: post #43
hodgesrm wrote: post #38

> Finally, he landed on the solution: “Just try not to be an asshole.” It's kind of astonishing how long it takes some people see this obvious answer. Expert hint: It also solves a lot of other workplace issues as well.

How does that protect you from false accusations?

False accusations are a problem no matter what you do. Is it a better coping strategy to behave in a way that makes them believable or to be decent to the people around you?

Personally I pick decency. I don't really care if this view is down-voted.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

neaden wrote: post #70
tomp wrote: post #46

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A few outhers are: Oxford Union president, Jian Gomeshi, "The Mattress Girl".

I'm not familiar with the Oxford Union president. Jian Gomeshi was credibly accused, the fact that he was found not guilty does not mean his accuser was false. I don't know why you include Emma Sulkowicz, I know of no evidence at all that she falsely accused someone. Also Jian Gomeshi is writing articles for the New York Review of Books and the man Emma Sulkowicz accused graduated, so neither of their lives were ruin…

The idea that Ghomeshi was “credibly accused” is rather the point. In the only cases that went to court, he was found not guilty, and the judge went on quite a tangent about how the witnesses had lied to and hid evidence from the court.

If that’s not enough to clear his name, how can anyone ever escape the stain of a credible accusation? It seems prudent given that problem to ensure that no accusation will be credible.

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Post by stevenwoo »

happytoexplain wrote: post #73
neaden wrote: post #32

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Every organization I've volunteered with that works with minors, including BSA, has that rule. It's sadly necessary.

It's telling that I'm unsure if this line of comments is more concerned with the problem that people abuse other people, or the problem that people falsely accuse other people of abuse.

It's both. It's in the guidelines for sporting groups I have worked with that there's an open door at all times with offices and that there is at least one supervising adult/parent of the juveniles present at all times. I assume this is due to insurance and legal liability - all organized sporting groups have liability insurance or it's going on your personal liability. This unfortunately did not cover pathological cases like the US Gymnastics scandal where the doctor apparently even abused his patients in the presence of their parents in the guise of an examination.

Re: Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

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Post by neaden »

briandear wrote: post #80
neaden wrote: post #24

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Hey, can you show me some of these well documented instances? The Duke Lacross case gets brought up a lot, but all those guys were exonerated and as far as I'm aware doing fine. Kavanaugh just got appointed to the Supreme Court and Lois C.K is popping up to do comedy sets, so I'm curious to see these many well documented cases you refer to.

Duke Lacrosse might be “doing fine” now, but while it was happening they certainly weren’t doing fine. Kavanaugh made it to the court, but for the rest of his term, he’s under a cloud. What happened to Kavanaugh was brutal. Just because someone survived the ordeal does lessen the fact that it happened at all.

Just to be clear, you know he almost certainly did it right? Dr. Ford came forward before he was nominated. Also he has full time security guards now and gets welcomed with standing ovations, whereas Dr. Ford keeps having to move because of all the death threats and hasn't been able to go back to her job.

Re: Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

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Post by bradleyankrom »

bradleyankrom wrote: post #69
YorkshireSeason wrote: post #47

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Why can't these men just learn Look what you have not said: "Why can't these women just learn ..." Somewhow you only seem to require men to do things? Are you arguing that it's acceptable for women falsely to accuse men? Ask yourself: what have you done to ensure that women not falsely accuse men? Have you had "the talk" with your daughters about false accusations?

where is the data suggesting women are falsely accusing men of assault at anything approching a significant rate?

Consensus seems to be that somewhere between 2% and 10% of investigated rape claims prove to be false.

Stanford: Myths about false accusation [0] BBC: The truth about false assault accusations by women [1] CNN: Sexual assault false reporting: What the statistics say [2]

[0] https://web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=297 [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684 [2] https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/health/sexual-assault-false-r...

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