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Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by alabato »

nyolfen wrote: post #47
joefranklinsrs wrote: post #26

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none of those links support your insane claim about genetic experimentation on babies

Indeed it is surely not true that they have camps where they do large scale genetic experimentations on babies... But from what we know they still at least did one such experiment. And this is completely insane and past any most basic ethics to do a non-consenting human experiment that moreover does not even aim to cure him but tries to find out how to build a stronger race.

Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by JesseAldridge »

marcell wrote: post #82
JesseAldridge wrote: post #39

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I mainly look at the ratio of stars to open issues. I find this to be a very good heuristic: http://repoq.com/baidu/Familia/ http://repoq.com/nltk/nltk http://repoq.com/RaRe-Technologies/gensim http://repoq.com/lists/natural_language_processing

Isn't more open issues just a sign of a older and/or more widely used library? It's not necessarily a bad thing.

Indeed over time a project will accumulate more stars and issues. It's the ratio that's important. You can think of them as something like upvotes vs downvotes. Except the downvotes are much more meaningful because it takes a drastically greater effort to open a ticket than to star a project.

Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by avip »

tanilama wrote: post #87
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #35

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I work with lots of Chinese scientists and they say they are never going back. They don't trust Chinese papers or labs at all.

Survivor Bias at play, the ones do go back, go back. I think the mentality among Chinese research community had changed rapidly, especially in Computer Science field, where China is as practical a choice as US. The problem with US is for foreign nationals, there is a preset role for us to fit in, while in China, it offers more potentials. I won't say certain it is black and white question at this moment, there is tra…

"report bias" seems a better fit here.

Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by sgillen »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #91
sgillen wrote: post #75

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Seems like it's much easier to leverage global talent when you are leading the research at a global level. This has arguably not been this case for (modern) china until recently.

Well, there is also a bit of xenophobia against foreigners that they have to sort out. It manifests in weird ways, like not being able to give foreigner employees options in local companies. Keep in mind that the number of foreigners in China is about the same as the number of foreigners in Tokyo.

True, yes I’m sure there are a ton of factors. Xenophobia and research excellence are just two important ones.

Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by WhompingWindows »

citilife wrote: post #3

I don't really think China is luring too many U.S. scientists... Most of the scientists I know pretty much ignore research out of China, because a large portion of it is just not replicable (and / or lies).

Ignoring disreputable journals from China is one thing, but I doubt any serious scientist would claim there are not incredible advances coming from that country. In field after field they've shown they can produce amazing scientific work. There is plenty of low-quality work but let's not forget the amazing work too.

Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

mc32 wrote: post #95
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #91

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Well, there is also a bit of xenophobia against foreigners that they have to sort out. It manifests in weird ways, like not being able to give foreigner employees options in local companies. Keep in mind that the number of foreigners in China is about the same as the number of foreigners in Tokyo.

Is that really xenophobia of just bias? If it were xenophobia, why would they hire foreigners in the first place?

It wasn’t too long ago (the 90s?) when all foreigners were thought to be spies and needed minders to travel outside of big cities. It is obviously much better now, but not all of that sentiment has washed out (see recent Beijing subway posters encouraging girls not to spill state secrets to foreign boyfriends).

I’m not really sure when someone would say bias has crossed over into xenophobia, they are not very distinguishable anyways.

Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by gowld »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #91
sgillen wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like it's much easier to leverage global talent when you are leading the research at a global level. This has arguably not been this case for (modern) china until recently.

Well, there is also a bit of xenophobia against foreigners that they have to sort out. It manifests in weird ways, like not being able to give foreigner employees options in local companies. Keep in mind that the number of foreigners in China is about the same as the number of foreigners in Tokyo.

Why do they have to sort it out?

I presume that financial equivalents to options are allowed, but that China forbids foreigners controlling non-cash capital in China, since that complicates the Communist's Party's exercise of authoritarian power over the operation of the nation.

Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by gowld »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #106
mc32 wrote: post #95

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Is that really xenophobia of just bias? If it were xenophobia, why would they hire foreigners in the first place?

It wasn’t too long ago (the 90s?) when all foreigners were thought to be spies and needed minders to travel outside of big cities. It is obviously much better now, but not all of that sentiment has washed out (see recent Beijing subway posters encouraging girls not to spill state secrets to foreign boyfriends). I’m not really sure when someone would say bias has crossed over into xenophobia, they are not very disting…

Do Chinese girls know a lot of state secrets?

No need to answer if you are still in China at the moment.

Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by marcell »

JesseAldridge wrote: post #102
marcell wrote: post #82

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Isn't more open issues just a sign of a older and/or more widely used library? It's not necessarily a bad thing.

Indeed over time a project will accumulate more stars and issues. It's the ratio that's important. You can think of them as something like upvotes vs downvotes. Except the downvotes are much more meaningful because it takes a drastically greater effort to open a ticket than to star a project.

Sure but issues signify actual usage. You open an issue because you’re using the project and ran into a problem, possibly an edge case. A star can be just a low comittmwnt upvote. I’d almost consider open issue to be a good sign.

Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by sonnyblarney »

antod wrote: post #96
inciampati wrote: post #89

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It's regular-ish grammar helps. It has simple conguation rules and almost no declensions. Its irregular pronunciation rules do not, but in practice they only make the speaker sound foreign, and do not make them unintelligible. If English isn't an easy language, what is? Is there any language that is universally easy?

I've heard English described as "fault tolerant". Sure it's hard to get completely correct, but people can still communicate usefully even while messing it up quite badly. Which helps makes it useful as a de facto standard. Probably because even most native English speakers don't know how to get it completely correct either (I count myself in that group).

English is the HTML of languages.

'Hello World' is easy.

Even hacking your way through something is possible.

Even if the rules are weird and nobody seems to get it totally right.

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