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China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Re: China Expands Research Funding, Luring U.S. Scientists and Students

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Post by techie128 »

JesseAldridge wrote: post #39
bllguo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascinating. Also in such a situation. What makes Familia the best vs. gensim/NLTK?

I mainly look at the ratio of stars to open issues. I find this to be a very good heuristic: http://repoq.com/baidu/Familia/ http://repoq.com/nltk/nltk http://repoq.com/RaRe-Technologies/gensim http://repoq.com/lists/natural_language_processing

China has a population of 1.3B. Isn't it possible that a lot of them have starred it because it is in Mandarin and targeted primarily towards them? You're not accounting for bias.

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Post by marcell »

JesseAldridge wrote: post #39
bllguo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascinating. Also in such a situation. What makes Familia the best vs. gensim/NLTK?

I mainly look at the ratio of stars to open issues. I find this to be a very good heuristic: http://repoq.com/baidu/Familia/ http://repoq.com/nltk/nltk http://repoq.com/RaRe-Technologies/gensim http://repoq.com/lists/natural_language_processing

Isn't more open issues just a sign of a older and/or more widely used library? It's not necessarily a bad thing.

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Post by eiaoa »

jackconnor wrote: post #78
eiaoa wrote: post #23

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Do you equate the Chinese to nazis? Because that's insane and totally fear-mongering, especially if you think China is evil but other countries would use scientific research for only rainbows and puppies.

> Do you equate the Chinese to nazis?

No, I emphatically do not. That's the most false and inflammatory misreading of my comment possible. The Chinese people are not villains, full stop.

The point I was making is that political regimes matter when it comes to the desire for progress in science and technology, and the idea that it doesn't is naive. I'm glad the Nazis and the Soviets were technically and scientifically behind the Allies and the West, and I think the world would be better off they had stayed even further behind -- even if that meant that humanity as a whole has its scientific and technical progress retarded for the want of their contributions.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

eiaoa wrote: post #83
jackconnor wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you equate the Chinese to nazis? Because that's insane and totally fear-mongering, especially if you think China is evil but other countries would use scientific research for only rainbows and puppies.

> Do you equate the Chinese to nazis? No, I emphatically do not. That's the most false and inflammatory misreading of my comment possible. The Chinese people are not villains, full stop. The point I was making is that political regimes matter when it comes to the desire for progress in science and technology, and the idea that it doesn't is naive. I'm glad the Nazis and the Soviets were technically and scientifically…

Remember when Bush said Saddam aided "al Qaeda-like organizations"?

People just heard al Qaeda.

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Post by alabato »

scarcely wrote: post #15
joefranklinsrs wrote: post #7

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As a Chinese person the thing I find most dispiriting is that, if this comment had been made in a slightly more subtle and polished way (without a Hitler comparison right at the start, for one thing) it would have received a lot more upvotes and given a lot more credence

Well China is doing total surveillance, even the most dystopian sci-fi are now an everyday reality of China, some BlackMirror episode like the one on Social Credit which were meant to be sci-fi are now more of a documentary on China's Score system.

And now China announced they edited a baby's gene not to cure him but just to test if they can buit a new generation of more resistant humans.

Please tell me how this is not completely screwed up ?

(I'm not defending the US, they are in the top of the most mass surveillance countries too, I'm just defending some basic notion like "We should not use non-consenting people as guinea pig to build a stronger race of human" and this kind of stuff...)

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Post by tanilama »

citilife wrote: post #3

I don't really think China is luring too many U.S. scientists... Most of the scientists I know pretty much ignore research out of China, because a large portion of it is just not replicable (and / or lies).

Chinese AI/CS papers are definitely not going to be ignored. They are really strong on that front, for they have a huge domestic industry to sustain such level of researches and there is economical benefit to going after.

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Post by tanilama »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #35
echevil wrote: post #20

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Well I guess the first step would be luring Chinese scientists currently in US back to China (many of those have US citizenship and would also be counted as US scientists)

I work with lots of Chinese scientists and they say they are never going back. They don't trust Chinese papers or labs at all.

Survivor Bias at play, the ones do go back, go back. I think the mentality among Chinese research community had changed rapidly, especially in Computer Science field, where China is as practical a choice as US.

The problem with US is for foreign nationals, there is a preset role for us to fit in, while in China, it offers more potentials. I won't say certain it is black and white question at this moment, there is trade-off in between. Living in US is no longer the non-brainer

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Post by cat199 »

jorblumesea wrote: post #10

China's policy towards political/ideological freedoms and "luring US academics" seems distinctly at odds. Many in academia are ideologically motivated.

but yet, many are ideological marxists with massively capitalist lifestyles.. so perhaps these things aren't so at odds.. :b

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Post by inciampati »

stochastic_monk wrote: post #56
whatshisface wrote: post #51

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English is not the easiest language to learn, but Mandarin is among the hardest.

I’ve heard similar things about English being among the harder languages to learn. I think it depends more on what kind of language you already know.

It's regular-ish grammar helps. It has simple conguation rules and almost no declensions. Its irregular pronunciation rules do not, but in practice they only make the speaker sound foreign, and do not make them unintelligible.

If English isn't an easy language, what is? Is there any language that is universally easy?

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Post by tony101 »

inciampati wrote: post #89
stochastic_monk wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve heard similar things about English being among the harder languages to learn. I think it depends more on what kind of language you already know.

It's regular-ish grammar helps. It has simple conguation rules and almost no declensions. Its irregular pronunciation rules do not, but in practice they only make the speaker sound foreign, and do not make them unintelligible. If English isn't an easy language, what is? Is there any language that is universally easy?

Esperanto[1] is an attempt at this, but I am not aware of any significant adoption.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

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