While they're at it, why not protest the NSA dragnet? Somehow being compliant with China is terrible but monitoring millions of Americans through their searches doesn’t call for any action?
We are Google employees – Google must drop Dragonfly
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#592> MRAP's are for combat, not police work While they were designed for combat, they are effectively the same thing that Brinks uses to transport money. They are meant to stop bad things from killing the people inside. They have 0 offensive weapons. They are entirely defensive vehicles that have been used to rescue downed officers, civilians in harms way (gunfire), and multiple times in natural disasters where other ve…
> While I get that they "look scary" to some people . That's more than enough reason not to deploy them. It changes "we're here to serve and protect" to "we will crush you if you step out of line".
> That's more than enough reason not to deploy them.
No it's not. These vehicles can, and have saved lives. I have yet to hear of an MRAP killing someone in the US.
> "we will crush you if you step out of line"
Better wording would be "if you throw rocks or shoot at us we are still going to arrest you".
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#593Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Certain EU Nations want to prevent fat right nationalist radicalization via censorship. I think that's clumsy, but good. But, who will be deciding what is considered as ultra-nationalist? Some liberal government that might be overly corrupt and is about to lose the election could just label their political opponents as modern day Nazis and have them be censored on Google search. For example Germany treats the AfD a…
>But, who will be deciding what is considered as ultra-nationalist? Presumably legislatures, that are elected? I'm not sure how it works over there. >Some liberal government that might be overly corrupt and is about to lose the election could just label their political opponents as modern day Nazis and have them be censored on Google search. Well, that's happening in America right now, the executive branch is labelin…
36% of Democrats polled support open borders: http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Fina...
Democrat Rep Eric Swalwell advocates for a complete gun ban: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/this-democratic-c...
So, your claim that it’s factually incorrect, is incorrect.
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#594Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And if the employees placed thier [sic] values over profits, why are they still there? There is probably more than one kind of profit. I think that if you've got a mortgage on a SV condo or house, and made plans for your financial life based on your income without knowing what the company you work for was or would be up to, you may be in a pretty good position to say that it's okay for you to accept a salary as you…
Have you notice that when it comes to being “brave” and speaking out against moral wrongdoing in Silicon Valley, it’s always the highly compensated white collar workers? You never see factory workers at Amazon for instance protesting about Amazon’s government contracts. I bet you anything if people at Google who are protesting were really afraid of losing thier jobs, not as many would be protesting.
Amazon factory workers protest over their working conditions. Those who have more secure employment have the ability to protest over more abstract causes. There is nothing new here; many political reformers and revolutionaries have been from middle or upper classes, who possess the financial security and education to opine about high-minded causes. This is Maslow's hierarchy at work here.
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Yeah, and then the CEO decides he'd rather make $124M that year and feel good about himself in not kowtowing to totalitarian governments vs doing so and making $125M that year. The entire point of this comment thread is that individual people are not motivated solely by money. They care about many other things too, like their values. Hell, this entire post exists because some Google employees care more about their va…
The only people not motivated solely by money are those who used the very tactics that are in question to amass enough not to care... Or simply have no stake in it, Or have a stake in a competing company. I can assure you if google employees revolt on a number of projects and that drops the stock price in half over the course of 3 weeks PEOPLE WILL CARE... Even the ones that today you say don't care.
> The only people not motivated solely by money are those who used the very tactics that are in question to amass enough not to care...
There are an awful lot of people in this very comment thread who would claim to be counterexamples to this. Are you going to say they're all lying or deluded about their own motivations?
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#596Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to be cynical, but did another company take over that work for them? Did the police get their MRAPs?
This is a problem that my employer faces. We have a strong concept of corporate responsibility, and plenty of opportunity for employee pushback, but we repeatedly see our decisions simply subverted by competitors who don't have any sense of morals and just go where the money is. It becomes a nasty tradeoff where you think about building/doing things that don't feel good, just to maintain a position to have a positive…
Wait, because your competitors will maintain MRAPs “they have no sense of morals”?
Your morals are your own? Why do you insist on imposing them on others?
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#597Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm going to go with the vets' opinion on this one. If Brinks trucks do the same work, use Brinks trucks. They are civilian vehicles and all of the tasks you list are civilian tasks. Militarization of the police force is a very, very, very bad idea.
However, the French Gendarmes are a paramilitary police force. It’s part of the French military and under interior ministry control. Does France have concerns about this military-style police force? Just saying militarization is a “bad idea,” seems to be an opinion based on emotion rather than facts. It seems like any police force can be bad or good; the militarization doesn’t seem to have much to do with that. Frenc…
Exactly. Even NYC has the "Hercules" team which is effectively a SWAT team that shows up at high risk locations as a show of force to deter terrorism.
Last time I was in Time Square some of them were lining up for photos with the general public. The crowd seemed pretty at ease knowing that if shit went down those guys were there to stop it.
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#598They may need to do more than demand, they may have to organize a strike. Get more people involved, unionize or not, you're going to have to strike.
Putting your name out there like this will just serve to have to replaced one at a time slowly which will kill the momentum until nobody is willing to take action again.
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#599And if the employees placed thier values over profits, why are they still there? I wonder if they are going to refuse their stock based compensation?
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#600Earlier quoted context omitted.
You deserve massive credit for striking a blow against this madness. A great example of how working people have more power than they think if they're willing to risk dollars and cents for matters of right and wrong. I say that fully realizing that not everyone is in the financial position where they can risk a fight with their employer. You can't expect everyone to be Ghandi.
> A great example of how working people have more power than they think if they're willing to risk dollars and cents for matters of right and wrong. I believe this is key. If more folks at more organizations were brave like this and willing to take the risk, a good chunk of the problems our civilization is facing might be greatly improved.
Worker's unions helped win the majority of our rights in modern democracies. I wish this fact was more widely appreciated.