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AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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This is exactly why the role of the state, in general, needs a much closer examination.

The exact same things are done constantly by big companies (Google, Apple, etc.). The only difference is you have much less recourse when it happens there. At least the government gives you rights you can fight for in court.

I did not say there should not be a government.

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The point here, though, is that it doesn't matter whether the driver could've seen them, because culpability rests with the driver by default (except, as mentioned, in situations such as motorways, where pedestrians aren't allowed). In very general terms, as a pedestrian in the UK, you have no particular right to step into the road other than at marked crossings, but as soon as you do, you have total right of way, no…

I'm sure it works fine in practice, but it's still not ideal if you can put one foot into the street and oblige cars to slam on their brakes.

If as a driver, you aren't willing to slam on the brakes, to avoid killing someone, because you feel you have right of way...

You shouldn't be driving.

Your first goal, as a driver, should be avoiding accidents. Your second goal should be following the rules of the road.

A human life is more important then enforcing your claim to the right of way.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Finland, I believe, scales fines proportionally to your income. Not perfect (the rich can more easily hide their income than the not so rich), but a good start.

That just screws the middle class (~$40k to $150k). The cost of waging legal warfare against the ticket will still be greater than the inflated fine while the wealthy will easily be able to afford the kind of lawyer who can get an overworked traffic court judge and the cop who has to take a day off from fieldwork to agree to more reasonable terms. The solution to fines is to simply get rid of fines and instead use a…

> while the wealthy will easily be able to afford the kind of lawyer who can get [..] more reasonable terms.

That will be the case with any effective punishment. You can be sure they'll fight points just as hard. Ofc still way better than a flat fine.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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This doesn't pass the smell test. If you have a receipt from the court showing that the fine was settled, how can they be saying they never got the money? As an aside this is a good reminder to keep forever any receipts for settlements with courts, the IRS, or other regulators.

Ha I kid you not I didn't believe it would pass the smell test either. However I got a $285 ticket proving it yesterday. Courts aren't open on the weekends so my lawyer will be figuring it out tomorrow. I will be in the DMV first thing in the morning to try to get a new license so I can travel home (went to parents house for Holiday). I have to pay a $65 reinstatement fee tomorrow to get a new license as well.

If you're in the Raleigh area as your name suggests, I'd advise you to be there 30+ minutes before they open. Our DMVs are a nightmare right now thanks to Real ID. I had go back in September - got my number at 1:45 PM and was the last person called before the office closed at 5 PM.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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> can file a small claims case > it will still cost me time/effort . In my country, costs can be added to the claim. Is it not the same in the US?

In the US we separate attorneys fees from other “court costs”. Typically a winning party in my county would win their costs (in a hypothetical case like mine that would be the initial filing and maybe the cost to serve the court filing on the Bank). Attorneys fees are more complicated and the general rule is actually that each party bears it’s own attorneys fees, but there are many execrations from statutes authorizi…

In my country, there are no lawyers in small claims court, so there'd be no attorney fees. The only cost other than time is usually the amount of money charged by the bailiff you hire to deliver the Summons or whatever the document is called.

So if a client refused to pay you $3000, you take them to small claims court for $3500 or whatever (you have to convince the court that these extra charges for the bailiff fees, your transport to and from court, etc, are just).

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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A classic short story along this line is: Computers Don't Argue by Gordon R. Dickson A man has a complaint with his book club, but a series of errors escalate things alarmingly. The Wikipedia article has the whole plot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computers_Don%27t_Argue

Or have the actual story: https://www.atariarchives.org/bcc2/showpage.php?page=133

Oh my. I've read that story in the distant past. It was merely hilarious at that time. Today I was grimacing.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Or have the actual story: https://www.atariarchives.org/bcc2/showpage.php?page=133

I feel weird about reading sci fi for free online. I feel like its unnatural and that it should come from used bookstores like god intended. I miss used bookstores, most of the big ones in my city have closed down

According to one online source, 'jammygit', you bought several Phil Dick novels at one of those used bookstores. Maybe that's why you feel 'weird'.

I also regret the loss of so many used bookstores ... one of my favorite haunts. We can only try to visit the survivors much more often.

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Heres further proof the justice system is screwed. Yesterday I was stopped while driving for not having current tags. Registration was renewed but I didn't have the sticker yet. Cop looked at my paperwork said all good be back in 5. Come to find out, I haven't had a valid license in 5 years. There was a mistake in court 5 years ago when I paid a fine (speeding ticket). I have a receipt from court saying all settled/m…

Surely part of this process is to sue the courts to cover your legal fees and time?

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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This only holds for those that a born rich, or fell upon immense luck. For those below Dubai princes, the riches come from an entirely distorted work/life balance where you are never really off-duty, and immense responsibility. I intend to get there one day with hard work so my family can be well off. However, I do not see why it makes sense to punish me for it. Fining me twice as much because I work double the hours…

By that standard you could also propose that the poor should be fined even heavier because they are the lazy ones and should get punished for that. There is no actual reasoning in your arguments why the fines should be the same for everybody, instead there is an argument why richer people should not be fined higher, while acknowledging that the height of a fine will impact people with differing levels of wealth in di…

There is one more obvious option: make fines not monetary but time consuming. For example you acummulate points and at certain threshold you need to do some public work, attend some courses or get some of your privileges revoked .

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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It almost sounds like a headline from The Onion, but it's the reality in an increasingly dystopian society. That's really scary.

And once it's "proven to work" in China, it will be sold to every other country, and start falsely accusing people from Brussels to Boston to Bangkok. Save more money on traffic cops. Spend more money on prisons.

They're trying to role out this type of shit in Singapore now (Chinese firms providing the tech).
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