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Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by misterhtmlcss »

tlow wrote: post #84
misterhtmlcss wrote: post #82

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So I'm a Firefox user. Went back for reasons everyone here already knows; lots of privacy issues. I use a VPN too. Anyway I switched to Firefox on my computers and mobile system. I use that VPN to try limit Google's tracking of me and I use duckduckgo for the same reason. Long story short I just switched back to chrome on my Android, because Firefox has kinda stopped working. I used to be able to keep 100 tabs open,…

Interesting extreme user, would be interested to learn more about how you compute.

Happy to connect anytime and share. I'm on most platforms with this handle.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by zrobotics »

plasticchris wrote: post #243
hadrien01 wrote: post #236

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You need to be at least 13 to use Google or YouTube, so they don't have to respect the intricacies of COPPA.

Interesting. There are many children who watch youtube that are younger than this. At the pediatric dentist they even had it playing on overhead TVs while they worked. Are they really making a product that caters to very young children while claiming for legal purposes no children can use it?

No,children can use YouTube. However, the TOS prohibits them from making an account. A parent can set up an account, or they can use it without logging in.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by AlexCoventry »

auslander wrote: post #203
AlexCoventry wrote: post #86

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> I don't understand the desire to use google's browser. It was the only browser with a decent Javascript sandbox, at least until recently. Wikipedia claims Firefox got a sandbox this month , but I think I've seen earlier claims: > Until November 2018, Firefox was the last widely used browser not to use a browser sandbox to isolate Web content in each tab from each other and from the rest of the system.[120][121]

> It was the only browser with a decent Javascript sandbox What about Safari? IMHO it has strong sandboxing. Another interesting thing I found, is sharing cookie access between private tabs, Safari does not, Chrome does.

Could be. I don't know much about the Apple ecosystem.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by dr_win »

Isn't problem simply with the user (his wife)? She had enabled auto-translation and didn't notice.

Similar thing would happen to anyone with email account setup to forward all emails to a public mailing list or something of that nature.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by everybodyknows »

plopz wrote: post #241
dmeeker wrote: post #219

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Would you mind elaborating on what those egregious privacy issues are for those of us who don't follow particularly closely?

Not the parent poster, but the two I can guess at would be the unblockable analytics on settings pages and the mr robot debacle.

Mr. Robot writeup:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-anger...

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by sabas_ge »

lthemick wrote: post #245
renegadesensei wrote: post #214

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Agreed. Avoid Google services. Wrote a post about how to do it: https://righteousruminations.blogspot.com/2018/09/migration-...

Thanks for sharing this post! I installed maps.me to give it a try... Very surprised that one of the settings is "Use Google Play services to determine your current location"

Because the location provider from Play Services is an alternative to having the GPS turned on and gives an approximate location. There are some replacements like this by Mapzen https://github.com/lostzen/LOST

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by LyndsySimon »

zzo38computer wrote: post #14
rinchik wrote: post #10

If you care about privacy these days: Remote self-destructible VM for browsing with Firefox in incognito mode (only sites you NEED to, that REQUIRE JS), through multiple VPNs over multiple proxies. Everything else is command line HTML parsers (also on different, remote VMs), or API endpoints (HN API as an example?). Need email service? Self-hosted, tiny email-server somewhere in eastern Europe. DDNS etc. Local machin…

I use local self-hosted email service. I do think public API endpoints would be good thing to have, and/or other protocols, that you will have command line programs to use. (That is one reason I invented remote virtual table protocol, although other existing protocols can also be used for many purposes; in some cases, HTTP is best anyways, too. And some protocols are too complicated! That is why to have a simpler one…

> I use local self-hosted email service.

What are you using? Do you have any advice for setting this up?

I've been using Protonmail for a couple of years, and while I'm generally fairly happy with it, I'd really like to self-host my email in my home. Aside from the technical experience, my understanding is that the US court system sees data stored on your own hardware in your own home very differently than data that you've entrusted to the care of a third party outside your home - the former is protected by the Fourth Amendment while the latter is not.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by zzo38computer »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #257
zzo38computer wrote: post #14

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I use local self-hosted email service. I do think public API endpoints would be good thing to have, and/or other protocols, that you will have command line programs to use. (That is one reason I invented remote virtual table protocol, although other existing protocols can also be used for many purposes; in some cases, HTTP is best anyways, too. And some protocols are too complicated! That is why to have a simpler one…

> I use local self-hosted email service. What are you using? Do you have any advice for setting this up? I've been using Protonmail for a couple of years, and while I'm generally fairly happy with it, I'd really like to self-host my email in my home. Aside from the technical experience, my understanding is that the US court system sees data stored on your own hardware in your own home very differently than data that…

I use Exim and Heirloom-mailx (although you can use a different user program, since the server is only Exim).

On the Debian setup menu, I selected smarthost, to use the ISP's server for sending (required because of the way the internet service works; your own service is still used for receiving). And then, in order to reduce spam, modified the configuration so that only aliases can be used and not real usernames, and set up several aliases in the /etc/aliases file, so that a different one can be used for each service or correspondent. I then set up the router to allow incoming SMTP connections.

(If necessary, you may need to disable NAT with your internet service provider. If they won't let you to do this, or won't allow arbitrary port numbers, then it isn't a real internet service.)

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by everybodyknows »

misterhtmlcss wrote: post #82
nwallin wrote: post #54

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Have you given Firefox another shot during the past year? I agree that it used to be terrible, (as in bloated and buggy and slow) but the work they've been doing with servo and quantum has really, really paid off. It really is a whole new experience. I don't do webdev, so I can't really comment about that. I agree wrt edge being terrible and not being willing to pay Apple prices.

So I'm a Firefox user. Went back for reasons everyone here already knows; lots of privacy issues. I use a VPN too. Anyway I switched to Firefox on my computers and mobile system. I use that VPN to try limit Google's tracking of me and I use duckduckgo for the same reason. Long story short I just switched back to chrome on my Android, because Firefox has kinda stopped working. I used to be able to keep 100 tabs open,…

I was seeing similar symptoms. Fixed by setting cookies and all other state except bookmarks, one or two others, to clear upon browser exit.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by dpacmittal »

My opinion about Google has completely changed in last few years. More scary than Chrome's monopoly is Android. Android is basically a black box. It's very hard to find what apps have access to what on the device. We desperately need a third competitor in mobile space.
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