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Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by Sylos »

vtail wrote: post #66
reaperducer wrote: post #2

I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

Here is an alternative view from Theo De Raadt, OpenBSD founder: “[firefox catching up with chrome’s security] is lipstick on a pig”: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=152872551609819

Firefox has more than two process classes. I'm probably missing some still, but it separates at least into main process, content processes (tabs), NPAPI plugin process and extension processes (at the time of his writing, I believe this was one big extension process still).

There's also a process for Asynchronous Panning and Zooming (APZ), but that probably doesn't help much with security.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

#82

Post by misterhtmlcss »

nwallin wrote: post #54
robocat wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend to my non-IT friends and family that they should use gmail and chrome because they use Windows and Google's security is fantastic. Sure there is a compromise. Google are using private information for advertising but (1) Google doesn't have a history of sharing PII with third parties and (2) Google are very good at keeping information and passwords secure. Many of my non-tech friends and family use Android…

Have you given Firefox another shot during the past year? I agree that it used to be terrible, (as in bloated and buggy and slow) but the work they've been doing with servo and quantum has really, really paid off. It really is a whole new experience. I don't do webdev, so I can't really comment about that. I agree wrt edge being terrible and not being willing to pay Apple prices.

So I'm a Firefox user. Went back for reasons everyone here already knows; lots of privacy issues. I use a VPN too.

Anyway I switched to Firefox on my computers and mobile system. I use that VPN to try limit Google's tracking of me and I use duckduckgo for the same reason.

Long story short I just switched back to chrome on my Android, because Firefox has kinda stopped working. I used to be able to keep 100 tabs open, not I can't even keep 1 open in the background. When I go back it just forgets what it was and won't refresh. I click refresh and it shows it's refreshing, but then nothing happens.

Nothing I can do. I'm reading some or I see a great article and I open it right away in a FF tab for later. I go back it doesn't load. Then I can't reset/restart it, because it won't die and then it stops syncing, etc.

It's really really bad. Sadly this wasn't the case when I decided to switch about 8 months back, this is only in the last 60 days.

I'll keep using Firefox for now on my desktop, but honestly I really rely on profiles and sync across profiles, which is a pain to get around on FF as it is, but now it's a big burden I can't really see my way around.

Too bad, but honestly I need a reliable tool more than I need privacy at this stage.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

#83

Post by jerheinze »

rinchik wrote: post #10

If you care about privacy these days: Remote self-destructible VM for browsing with Firefox in incognito mode (only sites you NEED to, that REQUIRE JS), through multiple VPNs over multiple proxies. Everything else is command line HTML parsers (also on different, remote VMs), or API endpoints (HN API as an example?). Need email service? Self-hosted, tiny email-server somewhere in eastern Europe. DDNS etc. Local machin…

> Remote self-destructible VM for browsing with Firefox in incognito mode (only sites you NEED to, that REQUIRE JS), through multiple VPNs over multiple proxies.

I hope you're just joking since layering up multiple VPNs doesn't provide any privacy by design. The best way is to use disposable Whonix VMs in Qubes OS.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by tlow »

misterhtmlcss wrote: post #82
nwallin wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you given Firefox another shot during the past year? I agree that it used to be terrible, (as in bloated and buggy and slow) but the work they've been doing with servo and quantum has really, really paid off. It really is a whole new experience. I don't do webdev, so I can't really comment about that. I agree wrt edge being terrible and not being willing to pay Apple prices.

So I'm a Firefox user. Went back for reasons everyone here already knows; lots of privacy issues. I use a VPN too. Anyway I switched to Firefox on my computers and mobile system. I use that VPN to try limit Google's tracking of me and I use duckduckgo for the same reason. Long story short I just switched back to chrome on my Android, because Firefox has kinda stopped working. I used to be able to keep 100 tabs open,…

Interesting extreme user, would be interested to learn more about how you compute.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by marcinzm »

Chrome is fun, today I learned you cannot turn off auto-complete for a page in chrome. Possibly some really creative hacks can do it but those seem to be "fixed" every so often as well. Which is great when you're building a HIPAA compliant page and would prefer that people's medical information not get cached by chrome (and then uploaded to their cloud storage if you're logged in).

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

#86

Post by AlexCoventry »

anfilt wrote: post #5
reaperducer wrote: post #2

I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

I have been using Firefox since version 1.0. I don't understand the desire to use google's browser. However, why would even trying view secure data in your web-browser... Not even just Chrome. Things may get cached ect... Although, Mozilla has been doing things that I find annoying at times. Like adding pocket ect... Little Rant Although, I have looked at some of the other forks. What I find more depressing is how fe…

> I don't understand the desire to use google's browser.

It was the only browser with a decent Javascript sandbox, at least until recently. Wikipedia claims Firefox got a sandbox this month, but I think I've seen earlier claims:

> Until November 2018, Firefox was the last widely used browser not to use a browser sandbox to isolate Web content in each tab from each other and from the rest of the system.[120][121]

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by askmike »

nwallin wrote: post #54
robocat wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend to my non-IT friends and family that they should use gmail and chrome because they use Windows and Google's security is fantastic. Sure there is a compromise. Google are using private information for advertising but (1) Google doesn't have a history of sharing PII with third parties and (2) Google are very good at keeping information and passwords secure. Many of my non-tech friends and family use Android…

Have you given Firefox another shot during the past year? I agree that it used to be terrible, (as in bloated and buggy and slow) but the work they've been doing with servo and quantum has really, really paid off. It really is a whole new experience. I don't do webdev, so I can't really comment about that. I agree wrt edge being terrible and not being willing to pay Apple prices.

I do some webdev (work with APIs & frontend stuff like react, vue). The firefox debugger is different. After an adjustment period I got used to them just fine and actually prefer some parts (like the network tab).

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by pcr0 »

nwallin wrote: post #54
robocat wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend to my non-IT friends and family that they should use gmail and chrome because they use Windows and Google's security is fantastic. Sure there is a compromise. Google are using private information for advertising but (1) Google doesn't have a history of sharing PII with third parties and (2) Google are very good at keeping information and passwords secure. Many of my non-tech friends and family use Android…

Have you given Firefox another shot during the past year? I agree that it used to be terrible, (as in bloated and buggy and slow) but the work they've been doing with servo and quantum has really, really paid off. It really is a whole new experience. I don't do webdev, so I can't really comment about that. I agree wrt edge being terrible and not being willing to pay Apple prices.

I've used Firefox 55-62 and I switched back to Chrome recently. Quantum was a great improvement, but it is still too buggy for me and it's gone downhill somewhere in the past few months

* Uses 30-40% CPU constantly on my Ubuntu laptop, causing the entire system to freeze.

* Slow on JS-heavy apps like JIRA, Gmail, Google docs.

* Firefox Android randomly decides to stop loading web pages, requiring a force quit and restart.

* Firefox Android bugged out while writing this comment, the text I typed would appear at a specific location, regardless of where I put the cursor. This and various other HTML input bugs require me to restart the browser again and again.

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