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Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by jononor »

rleigh wrote: post #277
megous wrote: post #267

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Combine github data with linkedin data to get connection of developers to companies, and use that? Not that I'm suggesting them to do it... :)

The main challenge would be the information asymmetry between both sides (as is already the case). It's one thing for the recruiter to be able to scan all your contributions. Would you as a potential recruit be able to do the same, and see what skills and techniques were /actually/ in use by the company. A tool which could generate an anonymised summary for both parties and compare them for mutual compatibility might…

Sounds like an opportunity for a third party 'market maker'

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Post by neilalexander »

inetknght wrote: post #399
neilalexander wrote: post #215

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You might find that running sshd in a Terminal is probably the best way to get a sense of what's really going on if the logging level isn't high enough by default - things like cipher disagreements would probably be visible on the client, whereas authentication errors are more likely to be logged on the target side. Do come back with how you get on!

So it turns out that I had deleted my shell, which also explains why iTerm and Terminal would instantly die. Fixed it with `chsh` and now all that good stuff works \o/

Glad to hear it!

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Post by neilalexander »

PeterMikhailov wrote: post #366
neilalexander wrote: post #191

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SSH is no different on macOS to Linux. Go and look in the usual places: /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /var/log. If you really are still stuck, disable Remote Login from the Sharing panel and start sshd yourself in a Terminal in verbose mode.

I don't think that's true. You have to screw around with launchctl. The original poster probably has to add the ability for a specific user to ssh to the box in "remote access"

The "Remote Login" checkbox in System Preferences actually does something equivalent to the `systemsetup` command. If you uncheck it, the daemon stops running, and you can then make changes or run it yourself.

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Post by signal11 »

nojvek wrote: post #377
bpchaps wrote: post #370

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The first time I opend the start menu on Windows 10 after mostly using linux, it included news about Kim Kardashian. Since then, my thoughts have been sealed about Windows.

I used to work for Microsoft on Edge Browser. Our tests ran on a clean version of Windows. Seeing the ads pop up in start menu, MSN homepage on Edge, little squares ads on bing page made me a bit miserable, day by day. The default experience was garbage thrown in your face. The leadership had to drive revenue growth and msn/ads were a money maker. That’s how they get promoted and we had to play their game. Seeing tha…

OOBE on Windows 10 has gone to the dogs. Live Tiles on the default Windows 10 Start Menu — especially if you buy an OEM laptop — look gaudy and distract you from the task at hand. I just wish Microsoft realised that this is making Apple’s systems more attractive.

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Post by signal11 »

danbolt wrote: post #376
bpchaps wrote: post #370

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The first time I opend the start menu on Windows 10 after mostly using linux, it included news about Kim Kardashian. Since then, my thoughts have been sealed about Windows.

Same thing! After using Linux abroad I started a new job using a Windowns 10 workstation and it showed me a picture of the President of the United States. It took a while to get the menu cleaned up too.

I just paid $5 for Start10. No more default Win10 Start menu, ever. Best $5 I ever spent. There are free options too, like Classic Shell.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by intopieces »

shock wrote: post #125
intopieces wrote: post #74

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>People vote with their pocketbook In this case, I don’t think that’s fair. A great number of people can’t devote the time to learning a new operating system or cannot afford a high priced OS X machine.

> A great number of people can’t devote the time to learning a new operating system Can't or won't? My experience has been that several people I know would rather stay in their comfort zone rather than learn something new. I'm not just talking about OSes here. I qualify this as a won't. I suspect this reluctance to switch from the status quo might apply to a wider population than my acquaintances.

Can't or won't is a distinction without a difference. Desktop/laptop computer ownership is flat and has been for the past decade [0] with smart phones and tablets growing [1].

What's the use in learning an entirely new operating system on your desktop whenever most of your time (65%) is being spent on Mobile anyway? [2]

[0] http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/29/the-demographics-of-de... [1] http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/29/technology-device-owne... [2] "Mobile now accounts for about 65% of total digital media consumption" https://hackernoon.com/how-much-time-do-people-spend-on-thei...

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Post by giobox »

tomjen3 wrote: post #335
jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

No. Because if you have money to spend, then your ad spots are worth more than the average. And if you are so rich you can afford to pay not to see ads, those spots goes up even more. If you are so rich you can afford to pay this increased rate, those goes up even more. There used to be a time where ads on the internet were, if not outright illegal, then at least considered like spam is today. I am not sure we wouldn…

I’m honestly not sure that time ever really existed. Ads were as much a part of print before the web as they are part of the web today.

You could maybe make this argument about popups before browser vendors killed that behaviour off, but ad banners where still a thing even with those.

The idea that they were ever even close to “outright illegal” is almost certainly a stretch in the vast majority of legal systems.

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Post by SyneRyder »

reading-at-work wrote: post #120
SyneRyder wrote: post #114

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Possibly Postbox, it's a commercial app but derived from Thunderbird. I've been using it for years on Mac since Eudora was discontinued, and plan to use it on Windows now that I'm switching back to PC this month: https://postbox-inc.com/

Looks good, but is it worth $40? At that point I'll probably just do what others suggested and go back to webmail with browser notifications.

If you're still interested in Postbox, the Black Friday sale just started, 40% off to make it $24. (And if you're not interested, that's cool too.)

https://www.postbox-inc.com/store

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Post by kkarakk »

matchbok wrote: post #35

So crazy how far behind Windows is to OS X. Even basic GUI stuff (animations, smoothness, etc) are not even a comparison. This is just another example. Ridiculous.

os x can't show me what's happening(speed/time to complete transfers) when i'm copying multiple files, it's a shit os for most real world tasks for me

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by therealdrag0 »

inetknght wrote: post #345
therealdrag0 wrote: post #341

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I don't think we should conflate telemetry with general user data that can be sold. Seeing HOW a user uses an app (re your Spotify example) is useful for the developers of the app. That is not data they are selling to other companies and IMO isn't a privacy issue and shouldn't negatively affect user experience. What theme you use or what buttons you click most often, isn't sellable; what is sellable are interests, co…

Seeing HOW I use an app can be a perceived privacy issue. It definitely can negatively affect user experience. Case in point: limited bandwidth and/or high latency, especially if the telemetry is transmitted with synchronous communication. What theme I use is sellable, especially if themes can be purchased. What buttons I click most often is also sellable by making it known what features would attract the most advert…

1. Personally I think telemetry is worth its weight in byes. If you don't have enough bandwidth to load media, that can reduce UX on most sites, but that's your problem and doesn't affect most target audiences. If you're streaming audio on Spotify the telemetry bandwidth is unlikely to get in the way.

2. I think there's still a distinction. Using telemetry to better monetize the product your using is different than selling data to a third party to target you.

Back to your original post though, I do agree that you should be able to opt out of any and all data collection. This already is a pattern too, you often see the "allow us to collect diagnostic information" dialog in software.

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