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Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by modzu »

Someone1234 wrote: post #38
reading-at-work wrote: post #18

What does HN recommend as a better Win10 email client? I'm familiar with Thunderbird and I'll probably switch to it if nothing else, but I'm not a huge fan of the UI/UX.

This might sound glib, but as someone who has used both Thunderbird and Outlook extensively, I don't recommend any desktop email client. Email clients were designed for a whole different era, and only work well in that context. Gmail, Outlook.com/O365/etc, are designed for you to "keep everything." Problem is that all desktop email clients aren't designed that way, they want you to have a very small limited subset of…

clients still make sense for users with multiple accounts. and modern clients only sync a subset of the db but still permit online search and retrieval. also for certain tasks the web clients aren't much better (gmails interface is garbage for working with multiple messages for example)

the default answer to op's question in enterprise land (where windows is still treading for relevancy) is Outlook.

thunderbird suffers the issues the comment mentions above -- barfs with large dbs, no support for exchange, not sure if it even supports push notifications, etc

it should be noted that mail on mac works well and the win 10 mail app this article is all about works pretty well too, which is why its a travesty MS is going to ruin it.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by ip26 »

jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

You are probably willing to pay more than you are worth in ad revenue. But you, and I, are in the minority.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by rhexs »

binarycrusader wrote: post #39
rhexs wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the ads and bloatware Microsoft was specifically trying to get away from in the 2000-2010ish era coming back, but this time packaged by Microsoft themselves, is absolutely baffling, the Cortana voice playing when you install Windows 10 has me even more confused. How did that get integrated? Is there some sort of Microsoft VP who decided to stake their career on Cortana and overrode everyone to merge that awful…

You may wish to consider that the voice in the installer is beneficial for accessibility purposes.

Fair enough. I did not consider that aspect. I'd still hope there would be a slightly less annoying way to accomplish that though.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by wvenable »

vezycash wrote: post #46
reading-at-work wrote: post #18

What does HN recommend as a better Win10 email client? I'm familiar with Thunderbird and I'll probably switch to it if nothing else, but I'm not a huge fan of the UI/UX.

I liked Win 10 email client because I can close it and still get email alerts. I'd like an alternative that has close to tray functionality.

I have a close-to-tray plugin for Thunderbird.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by shock »

intopieces wrote: post #74
melling wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has had 90% marketshare for 20 years now. You know who has demonstrated that they are their own worst enemy? Consumers. People vote with their pocketbook. Now you have to live with that result.

>People vote with their pocketbook In this case, I don’t think that’s fair. A great number of people can’t devote the time to learning a new operating system or cannot afford a high priced OS X machine.

> A great number of people can’t devote the time to learning a new operating system

Can't or won't? My experience has been that several people I know would rather stay in their comfort zone rather than learn something new. I'm not just talking about OSes here. I qualify this as a won't.

I suspect this reluctance to switch from the status quo might apply to a wider population than my acquaintances.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

jcelerier wrote: post #106
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #88

Dear Microsoft, As a vocal critic of the Linux Desktop, your horrifically misguided attempts to "improve" Windows since Windows 10 have so degraded the experience of using it that I am now only 2 reasons[0] away from switching anyway, so at least I don't have to pay for the privilege of using crappy software. I would ask you kindly to cease your endeavors to kill off the Windows Desktop and personal computing in gene…

> 1. I hate package managers as an application installation paradigm wat so you prefer go to vlc.com for vlc, 7-zip.com for 7-zip, update them by hand or add custom system services constantly running for every program to install themselves, etc etc instead of a `pacman -S 7z vlc krita libreoffice [every other software you need]`

Yes. I like having software that is up to date and delivered direct from the developer. I like having portable applications that don't even need installation. I like being able to put applications on different disks. I like being able to have multiple versions of an application.

There is not a single package manager in existence for Linux that gives me these things.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by wvenable »

Someone1234 wrote: post #101
vezycash wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just use Spybot Anti-Beacon software and do most of the above steps in a click. Edit: Sorry. It's now a paid software. Checking for free alternatives. Found one: shutup10 Lastly, install Unchecky. It'll automatically uncheck options for additional unwanted programs, adware, toolbars... when installing software.

Be careful with those scripts/software. Many of them essentially break Windows 10 by design. If you stay within the Settings UI then you are working within Windows 10's supported design. When you run a script that disables a system service (e.g. Cortana) things start to get quirky/broken. Several of those break Windows Update for example.

> Several of those break Windows Update for example.

Some people might consider that a feature /s.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by howard941 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #88

Dear Microsoft, As a vocal critic of the Linux Desktop, your horrifically misguided attempts to "improve" Windows since Windows 10 have so degraded the experience of using it that I am now only 2 reasons[0] away from switching anyway, so at least I don't have to pay for the privilege of using crappy software. I would ask you kindly to cease your endeavors to kill off the Windows Desktop and personal computing in gene…

Consider FreeBSD and its ports model. You'll be building your own ports from sources but you needn't touch another package someone else built, if you don't want to.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by Nexxxeh »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #108
jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

I guess you're assigning "walled garden" to macOS, but macOS is still UNIX underneath, and you can run any open software you want on it. I still think it's an excellent option for the privacy conscious. There are plenty of free software based operating systems that will take your money. Red Hat seems like the most obvious one.

The noise-dive Apple's software has taken, it might fall under the "treats like crap".

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by pritambaral »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #126
jcelerier wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. I hate package managers as an application installation paradigm wat so you prefer go to vlc.com for vlc, 7-zip.com for 7-zip, update them by hand or add custom system services constantly running for every program to install themselves, etc etc instead of a `pacman -S 7z vlc krita libreoffice [every other software you need]`

Yes. I like having software that is up to date and delivered direct from the developer. I like having portable applications that don't even need installation. I like being able to put applications on different disks. I like being able to have multiple versions of an application. There is not a single package manager in existence for Linux that gives me these things.

Sounds like AppImages would satisfy all your requirements.
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