Stuff like this is why I have moved to Mint and macOS for my personal everyday computing. I used to love “classic” Windows (XP and 7, even Vista to some degree). I still use Windows 10 Enterprise on one of my government-issued project laptops, but that’s almost a completely different OS in many ways. I don’t think you can even buy the Enterprise version for personal use, because if I could, I would.
Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10
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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10
#372Stuff like this is why I have moved to Mint and macOS for my personal everyday computing. I used to love “classic” Windows (XP and 7, even Vista to some degree). I still use Windows 10 Enterprise on one of my government-issued project laptops, but that’s almost a completely different OS in many ways. I don’t think you can even buy the Enterprise version for personal use, because if I could, I would.
If you don't mind my asking, what's Mint?
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#373What does HN recommend as a better Win10 email client? I'm familiar with Thunderbird and I'll probably switch to it if nothing else, but I'm not a huge fan of the UI/UX.
I use Mailspring which is available for Windows, Mac, and Linux. I use the free version but they have subscription model with many features (which I don't necessarily need).
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#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. I like having software that is up to date and delivered direct from the developer. I like having portable applications that don't even need installation. I like being able to put applications on different disks. I like being able to have multiple versions of an application. There is not a single package manager in existence for Linux that gives me these things.
There's no reason that they need to come from the developers. I'm maintaining over a dozen packages that build directly from HEAD that are all integrated with my package manager and allows anyone else to leverage my work and get my packages. Nix is the package manager that does this. It literally does damn near everything that comes out of every HN discussion of package managers, ever, but very few seem to bother inv…
There's several reasons for that, like it still means building from source, or that nix is basically its own programming language you have to learn.
Also, if I understand how nix works correctly, it still can't create portable applications.
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In other words, I can get what I want, which is very simple on Windows and Mac, in Linux by compiling things from source or otherwise jumping through a bunch of containerization hoops. No thanks.
But I can't do these things on Windows 10 either, I tried to put all my installed software on D: and when I had an update I was unable to install it because Windows couldn't work out where my stuff was which required a reinstall to install the update. Now I have to manually enter 'D' prefix on all installations, and that's for software that actually lets me! The Linux package managers aren't perfect, but overall offe…
Unfortunately Microsoft has embraced hardcoding paths for their own software. However, I've found that the vast majority of Windows applications already are or can easily be made portable. Updating them is a bit more manual, but that's a tradeoff I'll make every time. After all, you never know when an update to your mail client will suddenly introduce ads.
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What do you mean tomorrow? When I open my start menu today I see ads for a bunch of games and apps that I don't have installed. When I see my lock screen I see a pretty nature photo with a couple of clickbait phrases on it like "If you think that this place is peacefull, then..."
The first time I opend the start menu on Windows 10 after mostly using linux, it included news about Kim Kardashian. Since then, my thoughts have been sealed about Windows.
Same thing! After using Linux abroad I started a new job using a Windowns 10 workstation and it showed me a picture of the President of the United States. It took a while to get the menu cleaned up too.
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#377Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean tomorrow? When I open my start menu today I see ads for a bunch of games and apps that I don't have installed. When I see my lock screen I see a pretty nature photo with a couple of clickbait phrases on it like "If you think that this place is peacefull, then..."
The first time I opend the start menu on Windows 10 after mostly using linux, it included news about Kim Kardashian. Since then, my thoughts have been sealed about Windows.
I used to work for Microsoft on Edge Browser. Our tests ran on a clean version of Windows. Seeing the ads pop up in start menu, MSN homepage on Edge, little squares ads on bing page made me a bit miserable, day by day.
The default experience was garbage thrown in your face.
The leadership had to drive revenue growth and msn/ads were a money maker. That’s how they get promoted and we had to play their game.
Seeing that ladder chasing culture made me quit.
Very few companies actually legit give a shit about their users and the user experience. It’s so easy to blindly do things that annoy users but make a quick buck.
Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10
#378Stuff like this is why I have moved to Mint and macOS for my personal everyday computing. I used to love “classic” Windows (XP and 7, even Vista to some degree). I still use Windows 10 Enterprise on one of my government-issued project laptops, but that’s almost a completely different OS in many ways. I don’t think you can even buy the Enterprise version for personal use, because if I could, I would.
If you don't mind my asking, what's Mint?
I think the author is speaking about Linux Mint[1], which is a flavour of Ubuntu with some quality-of-life additions.
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#379All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd
The money you would likely pay would be less than what they can make by selling you ads (as a whole). If you were willing to pay > $1000 for software and services there was no reason for companies to maintain an Ad business.
maybe they could compare my purchase history from various services along with the ads they've served, and at some point realize that I've never bought anything from an ad, nor ever bought anything, ever, that's been promoted through these ads, then finally stop showing them to me. It would be better experience for me, and also make their clickrate ratios go up for their advertisers.
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At some point aren't you going to have to choose between software requiring shared libraries and take the package-complexity or source build-hit, or have everything statically linked and take the program size hit?
Only if I insist on doing things the way UNIXs do, which is what is keeping me on Windows. If Linux had a stable and consistent base system that was comprised of the most commonly used libraries, then developers would only have to statically link or include their own copy of less common libraries. I'm totally ok with that. And let's be real for a minute, the program size hit is negligible. You can get a 1TB SSD for u…
You're wrong, tiresome and ignorant.
Windows allows multiple instances of the same app to work via the WinSxS mechanism which keeps copies of basically every DLL ever installed, including system DLLs. So it is basically keeping duplicates of everything, regardless. This includes some executables as well. [1]
Before WinSxS you could achieve the same effect by keeping copies of the DLL dependencies in the app directory beside the executable. Windows would then choose the DLLs from the app current directory before looking at system directories and the path. [2]
Linux gives you the same choices and a couple more options.
Work with the system package manager [1].
Link dynamically and keep copies of differing DLLs in a different prefix and... take a size hit. [2]
Link statically and take a size hit.
Link dynamically and build everything yourself, minimizing your dependencies.
So, which of those options do you choose?
You cannot have your cake and eat it too.