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Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by woolvalley »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #126
jcelerier wrote: post #106

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> 1. I hate package managers as an application installation paradigm wat so you prefer go to vlc.com for vlc, 7-zip.com for 7-zip, update them by hand or add custom system services constantly running for every program to install themselves, etc etc instead of a `pacman -S 7z vlc krita libreoffice [every other software you need]`

Yes. I like having software that is up to date and delivered direct from the developer. I like having portable applications that don't even need installation. I like being able to put applications on different disks. I like being able to have multiple versions of an application. There is not a single package manager in existence for Linux that gives me these things.

I like how homebrew cask does it, where each cask is a formula to download the app into /Applications . You get the reproducibility of package lists, the speed of just typing an install / search command vs searching a website and the connivence of normal app installation and management.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by [deleted] »

_uhtu wrote: post #47

Amazon has lately been putting ads on prime video for other prime video shows. I have a feeling we're rapidly going towards most paid services having ads. Also, on prime video, occasionally, pressing the fast forward button won't skip the ad. I'm sure it's one of those "bugs" that just happens to force the user to do something the company wants but the user doesn't but I have a feeling it might just stop working all…

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by ryandrake »

untog wrote: post #195
ryanianian wrote: post #67

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This is infuriating. I'm paying for the service--that's supposedly what's sustaining it--why are there ads? If you (Amazon) decide you want more money, let me decide to pay more to eliminate ads. Similar things abound with Hulu. Even the more expensive "ad free" version has some ads for certain shows/movies due to "licensing agreements" (read: Hulu wanting more money).

This is hardly new. Cable TV, magazines and newspapers have always cost money and had ads included.

Will Cable TV Be Invaded By Commercials? [1981]: https://www.nytimes.com/1981/07/26/arts/will-cable-tv-be-inv...

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by airstrike »

beefhash wrote: post #170
vbezhenar wrote: post #139

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I wonder if it's possible to use it with modern hardware. May be someone will make a modern Windows 2000 distribution with backported drivers and fixed vulnerabilities. Source code was leaked, so should be possible.

As far as I know, the Windows 2000 source code leak was incomplete, actually; or if it isn't, then not the entire thing ended up getting leaked. For example, the code to the setup program was missing. To the best of my knowledge, the most recent complete leak was NT 4.0. That one did have a short-lived burst of retro affectionados under the name "OpenNT 4.0", though it's not entirely clear if it died on its own or if…

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by Silfen »

DoctorOW wrote: post #280
EduardoBautista wrote: post #263

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Duckduckgo does not. Hacker News does not. There are many examples. Ads on blogs such as Daring Fireball and Coding Horror do not. I gladly whitelist these sites.

Do Hacker News and Daring Fireball have ad platforms?

HN has in-feed ads for Y Combinator businesses. A great example of benevolent, win-win advertising, in my opinion.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by WorldMaker »

robocat wrote: post #304
WorldMaker wrote: post #146

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The latest Gmail revamp is more touch-friendly than it used to be, especially in Edge (despite Gmail's increasingly obnoxious insistence that you should only use Chrome). The article suggests that the Mail app will never have ads for Office 365 users. Office 365 Home is often a good deal for a Surface owner anyway, as it boosts your OneDrive space, and gives you up to date copies of all the Office programs, and stuff…

> despite Gmail's increasingly obnoxious insistence that you should only use Chrome Fuck Edge touch support - they don't support the event API used by Safari/Chrome, instead you need to use an MS specific touch API. I support touch on IE11/Edge (because our business made a bet on Windows Phone) but I have wasted an obscene amount of time to do so (we have very few windows phone/laptop touch users). I hate supporting…

Are you talking about Pointer Events versus Touch Events?

Edge supports both (and has for some time). IE supports only Pointer Events. (There is a polyfill for Touch Events on IE: https://github.com/WebReflection/ie-touch)

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Touch_event...

https://caniuse.com/#feat=pointer

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Pointer_eve...

Both are W3C recommended standards. Pointer Events has more capabilities, and an easier abstraction for multi-modal input (ie, mouse and touch, or touch and pen). So I often see Pointer Events recommended over Touch Events if you can use Pointer Events. (React recently moved to recommending Pointer Events, as one example.)

The big reason not to use Pointer Events is that Safari/WebKit has lagged far behind on Pointer Event adoption (it is finally in experimental preview in Safari, years after Firefox and Chrome/Blink, and seems to be part of the increasing Blink/WebKit split). There is a Pointer Event Polyfill for Safari (and other older browsers that support Touch Events but not Pointer Events): https://github.com/jquery/PEP

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #310
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #265

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If only it did. For one, its absolutely a package manager. You need a special tool to manage flatpaks. Also, flatpak has a lot of problems in my opinion, not the least of which is that it has no mechanism for installing to a different disk without creating an entirely new "installation", which in its terminology means a completely new dependency chain too. The "portals" idea is a pretty good one though, on the whole.

It's still a package manager, and it still has dependencies, but the dependency chain is "flat" such that it's always comprehensible and you'll never be stuck modifying large parts of your system to update one program. I see it as similar to Windows's Visual C++ and DirectX runtimes in that regard. I hear you on installing to different disks, though. Appimages are also an option, but I've found they have a tendency t…

Unfortunately that's a problem with they way Linux is structured, or rather it's lack of structure. There's no consistent base system that can be relied upon like you have with other platforms. The community seems unwilling to deal with this issue, some outright deny that it is an issue.

One thing that would be interesting would be to use flatpak "runtimes" to provide a target base system for AppImages, but I don't think that level of cooperation is actually possible within the Linux community.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by vt240 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #126
jcelerier wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. I hate package managers as an application installation paradigm wat so you prefer go to vlc.com for vlc, 7-zip.com for 7-zip, update them by hand or add custom system services constantly running for every program to install themselves, etc etc instead of a `pacman -S 7z vlc krita libreoffice [every other software you need]`

Yes. I like having software that is up to date and delivered direct from the developer. I like having portable applications that don't even need installation. I like being able to put applications on different disks. I like being able to have multiple versions of an application. There is not a single package manager in existence for Linux that gives me these things.

Occasionally, I still run into a piece of software which makes me yearn for the days when I built my own /usr/local from source. But as the repos have got better, this is getting to be a rare event. I still don't like the feeling of being boxed into the package management system. And the extra level of complication trying to manage issues from building software from source which reference package managed libraries and other dependencies.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by dsego »

ovao wrote: post #312
autoexec wrote: post #297

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> . If you were willing to pay > $1000 for software and services there was no reason for companies to maintain an Ad business. Let's be honest though, if a company can make money doing something they most likely will do it. It wouldn't matter if you paid $100,000 a month to use windows, if they could make an extra $1000 selling your personal information and pushing ads at you they will.

If that were truly the case, wouldn’t Apple and Canonical be doing exactly that?

Except Canonical was doing exactly that with amazon ads in the launcher.
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