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Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Get Linux for free, still don't get ads.

Not true [1]. Ubuntu is full of recommendations for non-free / malicious "snaps" and has telemetry (opt out + remove a few packages). [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/7/17326184/firefox-ads-spons...

Ubuntu does not define Linux. There's plenty of other, well-maintained distros.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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It's odd to me that so many people seem to dislike this comment. My experience with MacOS has gotten more and more negative with each update. I upgraded to Mojave a few weeks ago (because the OS would not stop nagging me to) and I've had nothing but problems since.

I've not seen a single nag to upgrade to Mojave. I'm still on Sierra (and will likely move to High Sierra this weekend - I like to stay a major version behind for Mac software for stability's sake on my Mac Mini).

Maybe the upgrade nag was added in High Sierra.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Not happening. https://twitter.com/fxshaw/status/1063518498104664064

>This was an experimental feature that was never intended to be tested broadly and it is being turned off.

"The trial balloon revealed too much backlash, we're going to pretend we never had to plan to roll it out universally."

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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hosts-file blocking of microsoft servers I don't think that works, I'm pretty sure the networking stack bypasses the hosts file for Microsoft sites because it's a potential vulnerability.

Why do you believe that?

He's right. it started back with XP https://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/431032/30/0/threaded

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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I beg to disagree. I remember a golden age when cable tv was known to be better because it didn’t have any ads. Slowly they became as ad infested as open channels.

What are you talking about? cable TV has always had ads in the very beginning in the 1950s and 60s on through the 1970s when the first cable TV stations came out.

Now when I hit "guide" I get a modal popup serving me an ad, that I then have to exit.

Soon it will be two, then three, then.... The same thing happened to "previews" when you go to the movies.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Slight tangent, but @jammygit mentioned in this thread: > "All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden....Is my money not good enough for them? Can someone elaborate a bit on this idea? Are we at a point where there is something more valuable than money itself? Data? Is this the point where Google et al can say "Nah, we actuall…

Maybe the problem is that customer service doesn't scale well, while ads/data collection do. Suppose you wanted to pay X dollars to have an ad free / data collection free facebook experience. How many employees would facebook have to hire per user to deliver that service. At the moment facebook gets to push off customer support to "community managers" or message boards, but that doesn't fly when you're paying money.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

The money you would likely pay would be less than what they can make by selling you ads (as a whole). If you were willing to pay > $1000 for software and services there was no reason for companies to maintain an Ad business.

> . If you were willing to pay > $1000 for software and services there was no reason for companies to maintain an Ad business.

Let's be honest though, if a company can make money doing something they most likely will do it. It wouldn't matter if you paid $100,000 a month to use windows, if they could make an extra $1000 selling your personal information and pushing ads at you they will.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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post #270

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I beg to disagree. I remember a golden age when cable tv was known to be better because it didn’t have any ads. Slowly they became as ad infested as open channels.

What are you talking about? cable TV has always had ads in the very beginning in the 1950s and 60s on through the 1970s when the first cable TV stations came out.

Nope. local channels continued to have ads but cable did not. Cable TV was advertised as being ad free because you were paying for it. It was part of the sales pitch.

My household was a subscriber in those early days and I remember the concern that ads were coming. I remember that they started by putting the ads between shows and only advertising upcoming shows on that channel. Then it moved to general ads about shows on that channel, then to ads about shows on other channels. At that point I knew the cause was lost and sure enough soon it was normal TV ads interrupting shows.

Here is a newspaper article from around that time asking how much longer cable TV will be ad free

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/07/26/arts/will-cable-tv-be-inv...

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Duckduckgo does not. Hacker News does not. There are many examples. Ads on blogs such as Daring Fireball and Coding Horror do not. I gladly whitelist these sites.

Do Hacker News and Daring Fireball have ad platforms?

Until march of last year Daring Fireball had The Deck[0]. Now it's just weekly sponsors, AFAIK.

0 - https://daringfireball.net/2017/03/the_deck_adieu

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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I wish we could see a breakout of what Microsoft estimates the advertising revenue of littering their OS with ads (I'm leaving internal quality related telemetry separate) is versus the brand value loss for those that don't want to use something like ChromeOS for privacy reasons.

I don't care if you can turn it off, if ad revenue is now meaningful enough to MS that it will be interleaved throughout the OS then it's now a non-option for me.

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