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Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by ohithereyou »

twalla wrote: post #250
eutropia wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to spend several days manually ripping out huge chunks of Win10 to get something resembling the usability of XP. That included removing all of the updating utilities, hosts-file blocking of microsoft servers, removal of most of the preinstalled apps, as well as disabling and deleting all of the scheduled tasks which try to re-install and re-enable those settings. All this trouble so I can play modern PC games..…

i recommend https://boxstarter.org/ and something like https://github.com/W4RH4WK/Debloat-Windows-10 for dealing with installing win10 source: configured windows10 manually once, decided i'd like to never experience that particular circle of hell again

I hadn't heard of Boxstarter before. Thank you for introducing me to this.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by JadeNB »

stephenr wrote: post #221
russdpale wrote: post #148

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It seems quite a few people have been turned off by the recent mac book pro fiasco as well.

Fiasco?

> Fiasco?

I don't know about the parent; but, as an MBP owner for almost 15 years, for me "fiasco" means "best-in-class keyboard and trackpad have become second- to third-rate." (Most complaints are focussed on the keyboard, and the Touch Bar's insistence on interfering with touch typing muscle memory; but I've found the trackpad has its own weird set of problems, at least on my machine.)

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by ohithereyou »

tjalfi wrote: post #259
beamatronic wrote: post #247

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Is it any better if you get the Enterprise version?

My employer uses Windows Enterprise and it also had Candy Crush and other crapware preinstalled. IIRC one of my coworkers wrote a script to remove the bundled applications.

How are these machines HIPAA compliant when your OS vendor can push random software to them?

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by ams6110 »

joombaga wrote: post #256
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #230

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hosts-file blocking of microsoft servers I don't think that works, I'm pretty sure the networking stack bypasses the hosts file for Microsoft sites because it's a potential vulnerability.

Why do you believe that?

Malware could overwrite the hosts file

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by inetknght »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #269
inetknght wrote: post #266

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Unfortunately for now :) One of the awesome things about Linux and it being open source is that if you don't like it then you can work to improve it.

Theoretically, yes, realistically, not really. For all its talk of openness and freedom for the user, the Linux community has a remarkable amount of disdain for anyone who isn't a C greybeard. AppImage has already pretty much solved everything I want as far as application distribution. It is at least the third such implementation that has. However, the community refuses to embrace it and so very little software is di…

> the Linux community has a remarkable amount of disdain for anyone who isn't a C greybeard

I feel like you're the one providing disdain simply by saying "greybeard". Please don't disrespect people who have lots of C experience.

I've found plenty of non-C applications in Ubuntu's and Fedora's repositories though. I've found Python, Ruby, and Perl applications and developer tools (in addition to the obvious C and C++ ones). That's just off the top of my head. Erlang, Ocaml, R, and (maybe?) D also exist. Of course there's also the package-building tools.

Mailing lists and bug reports are usually open to the public too. And there's usually policies around offensive behavior. If you see a problem that hasn't been addressed satisfactorily then I highly encourage you to bring it forward to the maintainers.

> AppImage has already pretty much solved everything I want as far as application distribution. It is at least the third such implementation that has.

Search engine brought me here: https://appimage.org/

It looks like it supports every major Linux distribution I've come across. Then what's stopping you from using it?

> the community refuses to embrace it and so very little software is distributed that way, just like the last two times.

This sounds like you need to get application developers on board. Get software developers to provide an AppImage of their application.

Make sure to include source code for distributions to build their own version of the AppImage -- including any patches which might be necessary to tweak and support the distributions' different and unique environments.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by [deleted] »

zanny wrote: post #173
legulere wrote: post #96

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The Elementary linux desktop [1] tries to get its users to pay. [1]: https://elementary.io

So does Canonical when you download Ubuntu. That being said, you really want money to go to developers making the software. Not to discredit the work of packagers and integrators (mostly at Debian) but actually writing the code at the end of the day is the deal breaker. For that you can donate to Gnome, KDE, specific projects like Krita, or Software in the Public Interest that funds a bunch of the non-umbrella projec…

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by ams6110 »

bluescrn wrote: post #203
_uhtu wrote: post #47

Amazon has lately been putting ads on prime video for other prime video shows. I have a feeling we're rapidly going towards most paid services having ads. Also, on prime video, occasionally, pressing the fast forward button won't skip the ad. I'm sure it's one of those "bugs" that just happens to force the user to do something the company wants but the user doesn't but I have a feeling it might just stop working all…

Amazon can get away with it so long as Prime remains worth it for the free next-day delivery alone, and the video service is an added bonus on top. If Netflix introduces any mid-show ads, I suspect there'll be a sharp rise in illegal downloads...

It's free 2-day delivery for me, and I don't always get that. Funny how when you order it will say "guaranteed delivery by " but if they don't make that all you get is a "sorry" email. Not much of a guarantee.

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Post by ohithereyou »

ip26 wrote: post #122
jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

You are probably willing to pay more than you are worth in ad revenue. But you, and I, are in the minority.

Not only willing, but capable. How many people could pay ongoing for their OS like they do for their car?

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by ams6110 »

andrewmunsell wrote: post #22

Is it at all ironic that I get a page that is trying to force me to turn off my ad blocker when I am trying to view a link about Microsoft putting ads in their Mail app?

I get very few of those popups, using uBlock origin and a hosts file.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by jboles »

navaati wrote: post #207
IpV8 wrote: post #90

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What do you mean tomorrow? When I open my start menu today I see ads for a bunch of games and apps that I don't have installed. When I see my lock screen I see a pretty nature photo with a couple of clickbait phrases on it like "If you think that this place is peacefull, then..."

What bugs me to no end is that I really like the photos, and the text ads in it ruin it !

Bing Desktop is still around -- you can get daily pretty nature pics, without the overlaid ads. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=358...
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