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Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by rkeene2 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #193
rkeene2 wrote: post #154

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AppFS is a package manager for Linux that exists and solves all these problems, except the "putting them on different disks", which it doesn't prevent you from doing but it doesn't really make any sense either. http://appfs.rkeene.org/

Aside from the obvious missing feature, there isn't even enough information to very your claims. Can I really have two versions of, say Krita, installed? Can I make a copy of that to take to an offline PC?

Yes. Since there's no explicit install step you can run as many versions as you want. You can of course copy the files to the cache of any system.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

craftyguy wrote: post #206
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #116

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nVidia GTX 1080ti In addition to the performance degradation, nVidia and the kernel maintainers don't currently get along so I'd also have to deal with that.

Ah, yes. nvidia is a thorn. In other news, the AMD and Intel drivers are as good as, if not better, than their windows counterparts!

Shame their hardware isn't as good. Especially Intel's.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by aikah »

extesy wrote: post #133

I suppose this is a consequence of making all future versions of Windows essentially free by adopting "Windows as a Service" release process. When everyone upgrades to Windows 10 there won't be anyone left to buy it anymore so they need a new source of income to replace that.

> I suppose this is a consequence of making all future versions of Windows essentially free by adopting "Windows as a Service" release process. When everyone upgrades to Windows 10 there won't be anyone left to buy it anymore so they need a new source of income to replace that.

OEM Licenses are bound to a single computer AFAIK. You change computers you need to pay for Windows again. So it's not like people will never buy Windows anymore as long as they buy computers installed with Windows on it.

Before one would get a separate Windows CD with his computer and be able to install it on many different machines, one activation at a time.

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Post by inetknght »

rayvy wrote: post #184

Slight tangent, but @jammygit mentioned in this thread: > "All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden....Is my money not good enough for them? Can someone elaborate a bit on this idea? Are we at a point where there is something more valuable than money itself? Data? Is this the point where Google et al can say "Nah, we actuall…

Anecdote: I used to pay for Imgur.com pro account. They then removed their subscription model and now have an advertisement-based model. Their advertisements are notoriously... not well intentioned to the end-user. And I would be very surprised if Imgur is not selling user data. I'm actually very upset about that.

Another anecdote: Spotify. I don't use that. https://twitter.com/mikarv/status/1012386696934182912

Another anecdote: DI.fm. I do use that. I pay for a pro subscription. Unfortunately their privacy policy makes it clear that they do sell tracking metrics to advertisers (double-dipping).

Then there's, of course, Microsoft. Clearly they track users. How can you guarantee that they don't sell your data to third parties neither now nor in the future?

> If company XYZ offers service/product A, should I be able to buy that product/service flat out, (if I'm financially able) without bells and whistles even if company XYZ insists on adding bells and whistles? (i.e., data collection). Is that somehow a sort of right as a consumer?

I absolutely 100% believe that this should be an ability for end-users to do. Buy the product and provide the ability to 100% disable telemetry.

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Post by neilalexander »

inetknght wrote: post #194
neilalexander wrote: post #191

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SSH is no different on macOS to Linux. Go and look in the usual places: /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /var/log. If you really are still stuck, disable Remote Login from the Sharing panel and start sshd yourself in a Terminal in verbose mode.

This is what I'll do when I get home

You might find that running sshd in a Terminal is probably the best way to get a sense of what's really going on if the logging level isn't high enough by default - things like cipher disagreements would probably be visible on the client, whereas authentication errors are more likely to be logged on the target side. Do come back with how you get on!

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Post by anoncake »

mav3rick wrote: post #65
jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

The money you would likely pay would be less than what they can make by selling you ads (as a whole). If you were willing to pay > $1000 for software and services there was no reason for companies to maintain an Ad business.

There is plenty of reason to advertise to someone willing and able to spend >$1000 on software.

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Post by thrill »

inetknght wrote: post #178
LeoPanthera wrote: post #108

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I guess you're assigning "walled garden" to macOS, but macOS is still UNIX underneath, and you can run any open software you want on it. I still think it's an excellent option for the privacy conscious. There are plenty of free software based operating systems that will take your money. Red Hat seems like the most obvious one.

I resurrected my late 2012 Mac Mini recently and "upgraded" it to Mojave. I can't even SSH into the box. The SSH daemon accepts connections, firewall is off, and login sharing is enabled. But the daemon refuses my key, my password. I can't even figure out how to get it to display the reasons for the denied access. At least on Linux I can turn off the daemon, turn on logging, turn the daemon back on, and get somewhere…

SSHd is now very picky about permissions of the .ssh directory and underlying files and may quietly fail if they're not set properly.

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Post by thrill »

wild_preference wrote: post #150
foepys wrote: post #100

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Netflix is going down the same route. They are not interrupting continuous playback yet but they are already promoting their Originals with autoplay ads (sometimes even with sound) in some clients. Luckily their clients' range of functions is horribly inconsistent, so I can still chose different clients to avoid this.

I feel like we're diluting the atrocity of shitty ads when we refer to anything and everything as an ad. Netflix's above-the-fold, skippable "Now Showing" preview on the homepage can't be compared to the unskippable videos that Amazon and Hulu force you to watch. Hell, it even remembers that you muted it. And it only plays if you sit there staring at it. Since almost all of Netflix's competitors force you to watch ad…

If it's not aiding me in navigating directly without delay or distraction to what I want then it's an ad. Whether it looks interesting or not is irrelevant.

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Post by rzzzt »

IpV8 wrote: post #90
aikah wrote: post #69

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> All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. AFAIK a license is paid with every new computer coming WITH Windows, so it isn't like people get Windows for free. I'm not sure it is even possible to transfer Windows's license from compute…

What do you mean tomorrow? When I open my start menu today I see ads for a bunch of games and apps that I don't have installed. When I see my lock screen I see a pretty nature photo with a couple of clickbait phrases on it like "If you think that this place is peacefull, then..."

Suggested apps can be turned off from the right-click context menu on one of the items: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/faq/id-3250630/turn-suggested-...

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Post by eppsilon »

rhexs wrote: post #123
binarycrusader wrote: post #39

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You may wish to consider that the voice in the installer is beneficial for accessibility purposes.

Fair enough. I did not consider that aspect. I'd still hope there would be a slightly less annoying way to accomplish that though.

macOS will talk to you via VoiceOver during the welcome/setup process if you wait long enough. Seems like a nicer balance.
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