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Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by neilalexander »

inetknght wrote: post #178
LeoPanthera wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you're assigning "walled garden" to macOS, but macOS is still UNIX underneath, and you can run any open software you want on it. I still think it's an excellent option for the privacy conscious. There are plenty of free software based operating systems that will take your money. Red Hat seems like the most obvious one.

I resurrected my late 2012 Mac Mini recently and "upgraded" it to Mojave. I can't even SSH into the box. The SSH daemon accepts connections, firewall is off, and login sharing is enabled. But the daemon refuses my key, my password. I can't even figure out how to get it to display the reasons for the denied access. At least on Linux I can turn off the daemon, turn on logging, turn the daemon back on, and get somewhere…

SSH is no different on macOS to Linux. Go and look in the usual places: /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /var/log. If you really are still stuck, disable Remote Login from the Sharing panel and start sshd yourself in a Terminal in verbose mode.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by inetknght »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #135
ashrk wrote: post #110

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Re: [0], what about them do you hate? For my part, I've discovered since switching to Mac that I don't like having system packages managed alongside user packages. It's one thing when I'm all-in on handling everything from the kernel up (it was fine back when I used Gentoo, for example) but the middle ground of massive meta-packages and such mingled with user-installed individual packages on e.g. Ubuntu is a train wr…

Lots of things. They're basically the same walled garden you get from Apple, Google, or Microsoft, only with a different gardener. They're also ludicrously inflexible in that they don't allow multiple versions of the same application to be installed, install applications to different disks, or often even get timely updates when a developer makes a change. I agree that "installers" are not a good paradigm either, but…

> They're also ludicrously inflexible in that they don't allow multiple versions of the same application to be installed

They actually do allow multiple versions of the same application to be installed. It's just difficult to get it to work.

The package itself will install to (for example) /usr/bin. A new version of the package will have the same file names, so they get overwritten.

Most well-built packages will allow you to override the installation path though. This is perfect in case you want to install to your home directory (instead of globally) or some versioned directory.

For example you can relocate RPM installations given an example.rpm file:

    rpm -i --relocate=/=/home/myuser example.rpm

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

rkeene2 wrote: post #154
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #126

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Yes. I like having software that is up to date and delivered direct from the developer. I like having portable applications that don't even need installation. I like being able to put applications on different disks. I like being able to have multiple versions of an application. There is not a single package manager in existence for Linux that gives me these things.

AppFS is a package manager for Linux that exists and solves all these problems, except the "putting them on different disks", which it doesn't prevent you from doing but it doesn't really make any sense either. http://appfs.rkeene.org/

Aside from the obvious missing feature, there isn't even enough information to very your claims. Can I really have two versions of, say Krita, installed? Can I make a copy of that to take to an offline PC?

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by inetknght »

neilalexander wrote: post #191
inetknght wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I resurrected my late 2012 Mac Mini recently and "upgraded" it to Mojave. I can't even SSH into the box. The SSH daemon accepts connections, firewall is off, and login sharing is enabled. But the daemon refuses my key, my password. I can't even figure out how to get it to display the reasons for the denied access. At least on Linux I can turn off the daemon, turn on logging, turn the daemon back on, and get somewhere…

SSH is no different on macOS to Linux. Go and look in the usual places: /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /var/log. If you really are still stuck, disable Remote Login from the Sharing panel and start sshd yourself in a Terminal in verbose mode.

This is what I'll do when I get home

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by untog »

ryanianian wrote: post #67
_uhtu wrote: post #47

Amazon has lately been putting ads on prime video for other prime video shows. I have a feeling we're rapidly going towards most paid services having ads. Also, on prime video, occasionally, pressing the fast forward button won't skip the ad. I'm sure it's one of those "bugs" that just happens to force the user to do something the company wants but the user doesn't but I have a feeling it might just stop working all…

This is infuriating. I'm paying for the service--that's supposedly what's sustaining it--why are there ads? If you (Amazon) decide you want more money, let me decide to pay more to eliminate ads. Similar things abound with Hulu. Even the more expensive "ad free" version has some ads for certain shows/movies due to "licensing agreements" (read: Hulu wanting more money).

This is hardly new. Cable TV, magazines and newspapers have always cost money and had ads included.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by thfuran »

benologist wrote: post #84
ryanianian wrote: post #67

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This is infuriating. I'm paying for the service--that's supposedly what's sustaining it--why are there ads? If you (Amazon) decide you want more money, let me decide to pay more to eliminate ads. Similar things abound with Hulu. Even the more expensive "ad free" version has some ads for certain shows/movies due to "licensing agreements" (read: Hulu wanting more money).

Once these companies decide their best path to new profits doesn't include new or improved products or growth it's just a question of who they are going to fuck, their employees or users.

What do you mean "or"?

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by binomialxenon »

eutropia wrote: post #95
jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

I had to spend several days manually ripping out huge chunks of Win10 to get something resembling the usability of XP. That included removing all of the updating utilities, hosts-file blocking of microsoft servers, removal of most of the preinstalled apps, as well as disabling and deleting all of the scheduled tasks which try to re-install and re-enable those settings. All this trouble so I can play modern PC games..…

If you're going to keep a Windows box around at all, it sounds like LTSB would probably work better than vanilla W10.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by inetknght »

danceparty wrote: post #189
inetknght wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I resurrected my late 2012 Mac Mini recently and "upgraded" it to Mojave. I can't even SSH into the box. The SSH daemon accepts connections, firewall is off, and login sharing is enabled. But the daemon refuses my key, my password. I can't even figure out how to get it to display the reasons for the denied access. At least on Linux I can turn off the daemon, turn on logging, turn the daemon back on, and get somewhere…

use ssh -vvv when you connect. Several types of ciphers were deprecated for security reasons over the past few releases, you can reenable them in /etc/ssh_config or /etc/sshd_config

I already used `ssh -v` and it didn't provide a whole lot of useful information.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

inetknght wrote: post #178
LeoPanthera wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you're assigning "walled garden" to macOS, but macOS is still UNIX underneath, and you can run any open software you want on it. I still think it's an excellent option for the privacy conscious. There are plenty of free software based operating systems that will take your money. Red Hat seems like the most obvious one.

I resurrected my late 2012 Mac Mini recently and "upgraded" it to Mojave. I can't even SSH into the box. The SSH daemon accepts connections, firewall is off, and login sharing is enabled. But the daemon refuses my key, my password. I can't even figure out how to get it to display the reasons for the denied access. At least on Linux I can turn off the daemon, turn on logging, turn the daemon back on, and get somewhere…

I could be mistaken but I think you're crashing into Apple tightening up the security (in the good "require better encryption" way, not the bad "walled garden" way).

https://www.reddit.com/r/macsysadmin/comments/9wt05m/cannot_...

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by wtallis »

rayvy wrote: post #184

Slight tangent, but @jammygit mentioned in this thread: > "All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden....Is my money not good enough for them? Can someone elaborate a bit on this idea? Are we at a point where there is something more valuable than money itself? Data? Is this the point where Google et al can say "Nah, we actuall…

In most cases, the product sans spying is sold, but only to other large corporations. The people in charge of selling products like Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB/LTSC won't return your calls if you are just buying for yourself.

Since most consumers aren't demanding these options, there isn't a critical mass of individual customers who are willing to pay a price that makes it worth Microsoft's time to pursue those sales. Consumers get stuck with the spyware/adware editions unless they are savvy enough to pirate the no-BS editions.

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