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PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by jitl »

mbrumlow wrote: post #7
craftyguy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, are you running the development version of sway 1.0, or the older stable 0.15?

master branch of wlroots + sway (I update nearly ever hour). Sway is the most exciting thing going on right now. Sway is really fast, I don't think the slowness is a problem with sway. I am wondering if my x220's Intel card is just too slow. I will try shortly on a much faster system.

Are you on Arch? I’ve been struggling to build sway 1.0-beta.1 on Ubuntu 18.04 - need to build libwayland 1.16 but then all transitive deps on Wayland are sad.

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by mbrumlow »

byproxy wrote: post #20
mbrumlow wrote: post #17

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Well, then you might look into this guy who modifies x200/x201's with 8th gen Intel chip sets. I think this is a good starting point to find more information about it. Its called the x210. http://www.cnmod.cn/x210

Wow, that looks really cool. Do you happen to know how much they cost?

If I recall -- I was reading the board + CPU was around $450, and you can pick up a x200 for ~$100 and do the mod your self.

The price goes up on the x200/x220s the nicer they look, and if they work, but you are looking at a max price of $250 if you don't wait for the good deals.

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by nwah1 »

shmerl wrote: post #2

That's great! How is WebRender on Wayland + Vulkan progressing by the way? I'm still postponing switch to Wayland, until major KWin bugs (like flickering one) are fixed.

I'm running the nightly on KWin and wayland right now, and typing this from there.

Alas, setting about:config gfx.webrender.all to true results in the window being blank, if using it in native wayland mode.

Apparently there's some upstream improvements coming to kwayland that will help.

WebRender itself is very stable. So much so that it is on by default for beta users on Windows with Nvidia. Recent weeks have also saw much better memory usage.

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by AceyMan »

Jonnax wrote: post #6
mbrumlow wrote: post #3

Very exciting, but this is very very slow on my x220 compared to xwayland -- running swaywm.

Isn't that laptop from like 6 years ago? I'd imagine your GPU is very much considered legacy.

In the ThinkPad world, that's just hitting the middle of the bathtub curve ...

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by shmerl »

nwah1 wrote: post #23
shmerl wrote: post #2

That's great! How is WebRender on Wayland + Vulkan progressing by the way? I'm still postponing switch to Wayland, until major KWin bugs (like flickering one) are fixed.

I'm running the nightly on KWin and wayland right now, and typing this from there. Alas, setting about:config gfx.webrender.all to true results in the window being blank, if using it in native wayland mode. Apparently there's some upstream improvements coming to kwayland that will help. WebRender itself is very stable. So much so that it is on by default for beta users on Windows with Nvidia. Recent weeks have also s…

But it's not using Vulkan yet.

KWin itslef still has this bug which is very irritating: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387313

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by byproxy »

mbrumlow wrote: post #22
byproxy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, that looks really cool. Do you happen to know how much they cost?

If I recall -- I was reading the board + CPU was around $450, and you can pick up a x200 for ~$100 and do the mod your self. The price goes up on the x200/x220s the nicer they look, and if they work, but you are looking at a max price of $250 if you don't wait for the good deals.

Ah, that's actually pretty reasonable. I've been looking for an x220 as a cheap laptop to throw a BSD on and tinker, but was always a bit hesitant due to the old architecture. This would definitely solve that! (I also like that the person in your link is offering a nice display upgrade.)

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by JonathonW »

jitl wrote: post #18

Great! I recently set up desktop Linux, and was disappointed to find poor support for fractional scaling on HiDPI screens, which I’m used to coming from retina MacBook Pro. Gnome under X11 only has 1x, 2x and 3x scaling. In Wayland, Gnome has experimental support for fractional scaling - including 1.75x, the size I’m used to. However, Xwayland apps like Firefox stable (and chrome) render blurry with fractional scalin…

Does Gnome under X11 allow you to set the desktop's size higher than the screen resolution and scale that down? Because that's all Apple's "fractional" scaling does-- macOS only supports integer scaling (specifically, 1x and 2x; iOS does 3x but not macOS); the "more space" scaling settings just render the screen at a resolution higher than the physical size of the panel and scale it to fit (for example, current 15" MacBook Pro panels are physically 2880x1800; the default screen resolution on the current machines is 3360x2100 with 2x scaling).

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by backenddev »

jitl wrote: post #18

Great! I recently set up desktop Linux, and was disappointed to find poor support for fractional scaling on HiDPI screens, which I’m used to coming from retina MacBook Pro. Gnome under X11 only has 1x, 2x and 3x scaling. In Wayland, Gnome has experimental support for fractional scaling - including 1.75x, the size I’m used to. However, Xwayland apps like Firefox stable (and chrome) render blurry with fractional scalin…

Hey, how do you set this and what version of gnome are you using?

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by coder543 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #19
Jonnax wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that laptop from like 6 years ago? I'd imagine your GPU is very much considered legacy.

This isn't 2002 where single core performance had increased by 4x and average ram has quadrupled. Computers can now easily have a 10 year usable lifespan. Heck Nvidia provides drivers for your modern kernel for devices all the way back to 2007.

Single core perf has become more than 50% better on desktop since Sandy Bridge, and it should be even more than that in TDP constrained environments like laptops because of reduced power consumption, which is partly why we now have quad core / eight thread ultrabooks. The total performance of such a device would almost certainly be more than double an X220 in a slimmer package.

Maybe 4x is your cut-off point for where it's worth it to upgrade?

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