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Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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The “compulsory” part applies to both the voter and the Government. People in the remotest of remote communities, troops on deployment, researchers in Antartica, the Government is obliged that they all have a reasonable chance to lodge a vote. Also of note is how EASY it is to vote here. Postal votes can be lodged. There are “early voting” places open a couple of weeks before the Election Day, and the elections are h…

I think the point is, what is the purpose of voting if the voter knows nothing about the candidates or issues on the ballot? You can pass a law making voting compulsory; it's a much bigger challenge to be sure the voter is informed about what he's voting on.

> what is the purpose of voting if the voter knows nothing about the candidates or issues on the ballot?

Basically eliminating voter suppression, for one.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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The “compulsory” part applies to both the voter and the Government. People in the remotest of remote communities, troops on deployment, researchers in Antartica, the Government is obliged that they all have a reasonable chance to lodge a vote. Also of note is how EASY it is to vote here. Postal votes can be lodged. There are “early voting” places open a couple of weeks before the Election Day, and the elections are h…

I think the point is, what is the purpose of voting if the voter knows nothing about the candidates or issues on the ballot? You can pass a law making voting compulsory; it's a much bigger challenge to be sure the voter is informed about what he's voting on.

It's always possible to explicitly vote for none of the candidates. You just have to turn up. I reckon this probably results in a better representation og the true will of the people overall.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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This publicly available information is an excel spreadsheet with names and addresses of absentee voters in the midterm. The article mentions two specific dangers about absentee voter lists: targeting unoccupied properties and-- related-- discouraging the absentee vote on the next election. That and the lack of ToS meant that posting this list was a bad idea. I followed your link but didn't find any examples of wrongl…

"...targeting unoccupied properties..." This is why I could never be a criminal. I would have never thought of that exploit. It sometimes scares me how clever and resourceful some people can be.

Just because someone used an absentee ballot doesn’t mean the address is unoccupied. I used my parents address in college and I know people who used it because they were traveling Election Day.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Actually, Australia's preferential voting & proportional representation do a far better job of connecting politics and voters than any country with a FPTP system (including US & Canada). https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart...

It's not about what people do once they vote, it's about how to get people to vote. Compulsory voting is great if you are running a dictatorship, it is not a good idea if you want to create a functioning democracy because voter turnout is an excellent way to judge how engaged people are. That signal is lost when you force people to vote. Yes, proportional representation is better than first-past-the-post. But you can…

So what your saying is that the unwashed masses shouldn't be able to vote?

Maybe we should go back in time, and not let women vote either, I mean you know how hysterical they are.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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The “compulsory” part applies to both the voter and the Government. People in the remotest of remote communities, troops on deployment, researchers in Antartica, the Government is obliged that they all have a reasonable chance to lodge a vote. Also of note is how EASY it is to vote here. Postal votes can be lodged. There are “early voting” places open a couple of weeks before the Election Day, and the elections are h…

I think the point is, what is the purpose of voting if the voter knows nothing about the candidates or issues on the ballot? You can pass a law making voting compulsory; it's a much bigger challenge to be sure the voter is informed about what he's voting on.

There's a (slightly) higher chance of the voter getting themselves informed if voting is compulsory. You won't get everyone, but it's certainly more than it being optional where you can choose to be lazy and have no repercussions.

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Everyone used to have a printed telephone book with almost everyone's name and address. There are lots of public record search sites. Names and addresses are not hard to find. What's the big deal?

Privacy derangement syndrome is big now. People even question license plates.

Without the internet, there's not a lot that can easily be done with just my license plate number. We live in a different world, and it's not derangement to acknowledge that.

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We are also way more sensitive about our personal information than we used to be for some reason. When I was a boy, the local newspaper published the previous day's hospital admissions and discharges every day. At some point they stopped doing it, and now we have HIPAA which would probably result in huge fines for doing the same thing.

It’s hard to remember, but the telephone book used to contain the street address for almost every adult by default.

Yes, but that was everyone and organized in alphabetical order.

This is organized by reason for not being at your ballot box.

Beyond that, it just seems sketchy.

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Great comment. I think this is an underappreciated trend. Technology is enabling actions that were previously unfathomable, due to limited resources and circumstantial practicalities. Modern systems are much more powerful (in certain ways), enabling potential injustices that no one ever considered possible, and thus of course made no effort to protect against. We are only beginning to consider all of the ramification…

I just got a $136 ticket from a stoplight camera for failing to Completely Stop at an intersection where there were no other cars for at least 1 mile in any direction, and made a right turn on red at about 3mph. It is serviced by a company 6 states away. Automated injustice is very alive today.

Why is getting a ticket for a rolling stop injustice?

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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I worked at the polls in California for the first time this year. We were required to post a public list of everyone who voted including their address. It's posted on the outside of the polling place for anyone to review if they so choose. The point of anonymous voting is to ensure that the voter's choices are secret, not to conceal the fact that someone voted. Even in Afghanistan where voting can cost your life, pur…

Electoral Rolls are public information in Australia, you need special dispensation to be removed from them; there's no bulk access to them, it's protected access but it's not private data

https://www.ecsa.sa.gov.au/enrolment/the-electoral-roll

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Just this Monday I sent email to 162,883 Floridians who had no record of having voted before: https://enki.org/2018/11/07/encouraging-people-to-vote/ The Florida data set which I requested has the same kind of information about absentee votes and physical addresses. I am wondering if this kind of data will become less public.

Choosing not to vote is a valid decision. Why shame people who do so?
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