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Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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The phone book didn't tell you that someone was an absentee voter.

At least in my state, New Mexico, you can look that information up for any voter with just a name and birthday.

You can look up whether a voter in the state is casting an absentee ballot with just their name and birthday?

Gosh, if I were a criminal, there's an awful lot of homes that are likely candidates for robbing now that a list of "who is not home + their address" is public.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Please explain.

Compulsory voting is wrong for many reasons, it fixes a symptom (low voter turnout as a proxy for reduced participation) but not the cause (reduced participation due to a disconnect between politics and the voters). Turnout by itself should not be a goal, but free and willing participation should be.

Actually, Australia's preferential voting & proportional representation do a far better job of connecting politics and voters than any country with a FPTP system (including US & Canada).

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart...

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in my state, New Mexico, you can look that information up for any voter with just a name and birthday.

You can look up whether a voter in the state is casting an absentee ballot with just their name and birthday? Gosh, if I were a criminal, there's an awful lot of homes that are likely candidates for robbing now that a list of "who is not home + their address" is public.

New Mexico doesn't require an excuse to vote with an absentee ballot¹.

Lots of states that do restrict them allow anyone over a certain age to use it.

So it doesn't really imply that they aren't home.

1. http://www.sos.state.nm.us/Voter_Information/Absentee_and_Ea...

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in my state, New Mexico, you can look that information up for any voter with just a name and birthday.

You can look up whether a voter in the state is casting an absentee ballot with just their name and birthday? Gosh, if I were a criminal, there's an awful lot of homes that are likely candidates for robbing now that a list of "who is not home + their address" is public.

There are much easier ways of finding out whether or not someone is home than looking up if they are going to be voting. Just find out if everyone living there has a 9-5 job, for example.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can look up whether a voter in the state is casting an absentee ballot with just their name and birthday? Gosh, if I were a criminal, there's an awful lot of homes that are likely candidates for robbing now that a list of "who is not home + their address" is public.

New Mexico doesn't require an excuse to vote with an absentee ballot¹. Lots of states that do restrict them allow anyone over a certain age to use it. So it doesn't really imply that they aren't home. 1. http://www.sos.state.nm.us/Voter_Information/Absentee_and_Ea...

Sure, but it is a much stronger indication that they are not home than just having a list of all registered voters in a state.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compulsory voting is wrong for many reasons, it fixes a symptom (low voter turnout as a proxy for reduced participation) but not the cause (reduced participation due to a disconnect between politics and the voters). Turnout by itself should not be a goal, but free and willing participation should be.

Actually, Australia's preferential voting & proportional representation do a far better job of connecting politics and voters than any country with a FPTP system (including US & Canada). https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart...

It's not about what people do once they vote, it's about how to get people to vote.

Compulsory voting is great if you are running a dictatorship, it is not a good idea if you want to create a functioning democracy because voter turnout is an excellent way to judge how engaged people are. That signal is lost when you force people to vote.

Yes, proportional representation is better than first-past-the-post. But you can have that irrespective of how you get people to vote in the first place.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain.

Compulsory voting is wrong for many reasons, it fixes a symptom (low voter turnout as a proxy for reduced participation) but not the cause (reduced participation due to a disconnect between politics and the voters). Turnout by itself should not be a goal, but free and willing participation should be.

The “compulsory” part applies to both the voter and the Government. People in the remotest of remote communities, troops on deployment, researchers in Antartica, the Government is obliged that they all have a reasonable chance to lodge a vote.

Also of note is how EASY it is to vote here. Postal votes can be lodged. There are “early voting” places open a couple of weeks before the Election Day, and the elections are held on Saturdays.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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> “State law requires the public availability of voter lists, including names and address of registered voters,” she said in an email. > It’s little surprise that the way Kemp’s office approached confirming absentee ballots was met with anger. “While the data may already be public, it is not publicly available in aggregate like this,” It's interesting how so many laws are predicated on limited resources. Ie, all name…

Great comment. I think this is an underappreciated trend. Technology is enabling actions that were previously unfathomable, due to limited resources and circumstantial practicalities. Modern systems are much more powerful (in certain ways), enabling potential injustices that no one ever considered possible, and thus of course made no effort to protect against. We are only beginning to consider all of the ramification…

I just got a $136 ticket from a stoplight camera for failing to Completely Stop at an intersection where there were no other cars for at least 1 mile in any direction, and made a right turn on red at about 3mph. It is serviced by a company 6 states away. Automated injustice is very alive today.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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> “Releasing this data in aggregate could be seen as suppressing future absentee voters in Georgia who do not want their information released in this manner,” he said.

This was my immediate conclusion. What a transparently detestable move.

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