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Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by vslira » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:55 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #342

rotskoff wrote: post #336

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I have found that the machine learning research community uses twitter pretty effectively. I don't tweet myself, but I do follow a good number of other researchers and often find interesting papers and results through the venue. It's much more effective than scouring the arXiv.

Yeah it's hard to curate a feed, I'm sure there are good groups out there (there has to be). I just struggle to find them.

Maybe the machine mearning community is particularly good at curating feeds, heh

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by z3t4 » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:55 PM UTC

Social network's are very risky to invest in. Sure they have crazy growth, but users will leave just as easily.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by jorblumesea » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:56 PM UTC

jwally wrote: post #298

Note I wrote my father in law when he had gone too far down the rabbit hole and legitimately worried about the poison it spreads around his demographic: I left Facebook when I read some press release about it being designed from the outset to make you feel bad because it keeps you engaged; hoping someone agrees with something you liked or shared and the dopamine hit it releases. I don’t like feeling manipulated and m…

This is actually why I don't visit facebook often, I had to spend so much time curating all of the echo chamber effects and political posts. My entire feed got flooded with crazy stuff and none of it was anything I actually wanted to hear about. I wanted to hear about people in my life but those who posted popular shares got all the exposure. It has become a platform to yell at people and to echo chamber each other. Having real conversations is impossible.

It became work to make Facebook worthwhile.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by user5994461 » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:56 PM UTC

Scarblac wrote: post #256

user5994461 wrote: post #170

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>>> For example most travel site you probably use are owned by priceline. Actually, most travel sites you use are probably owned by Expedia, then priceline. Together, they own every single major web sites about travel.

Priceline actually got renamed to Booking Holding earlier this year, to reflect the fact that Booking.com is by far the largest part of their turnover.

Expedia have hotels.com, the main competitor to booking. The plane business and the hotel business are of similar size from what I've seen. Both huge and shadowing everything else.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by abvdasker » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:56 PM UTC

samstave wrote: post #289

The biggest failure in FB afaiac, is the complete package of utility to truly connect people with tools. For example, they could have created workspaces for people to create teams and collaborate and build things, manage communities and projects have real facility to build create and run organizations with Facebook being the profile glue and communications channel. They have had less-than-mediocre efforts on all of t…

To my mind one of the major mistakes Facebook made was that they never made any effort to implement identity segmentation. I don't want a picture of me from college with a solo cup in each hand visible to any prospective employer and therefore would never want my Facebook profile to take the place of the one I have created for myself on LinkedIn.

If I could have multiple views of my identity depending on the context that would be pretty neat and more analogous to the way people present themselves in the real world. Huge missed opportunity on Facebook's part and now it's way too late.

My other hot take is that the interaction design of Facebook is just much too heavy when compared to Instagram or Tinder. If I go on Facebook it's guaranteed 15 minutes of time just to kind-of get into the flow and see a bunch of friends' statuses and maybe click on their profiles. Instagram on the other hand you can just pick up and scroll through pictures for a few minutes and then put down — the interaction feels lighter weight and less burdensome.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by ModernMech » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:58 PM UTC

deminature wrote: post #240

mrweasel wrote: post #93

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I believe that is how Facebook dies. Not people deleting their account, they’ll just stop checking their feed, because it’s spam and stuff friends likes or share and no longer posts about their life.

I stopped posting because of the whole thing about social media written in ink. I'm not posting something which may be held against me, or have me randomly shamed in the future because the nuance of my joke was lost in text. When I last posted in 2007, the internet seemed to be a much different, friendlier place. Facebook in 2007 was also mostly about friends, and not selling me stuff that it couldn't possibly know I…

> When I last posted in 2007, the internet seemed to be a much different, friendlier place.

But then something happened...

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by bradlys » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:58 PM UTC

petepete wrote: post #235

lambda_lover wrote: post #43

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Don't worry: they've been slowly hobbling the mobile site to make the application more and more attractive. iirc you can't even message on the normal (non-basic) mobile site any more: it just shows a splash screen requesting that you download messenger. And of course their site uses screen dimensions and user agents to decide to force you onto mobile even if you request desktop.

It's worse than that. Even if you check the "Desktop site" box on Chrome for Android, every time you type a word in the messenger box and press space, it's deleted. You have to go a long way to make anything that bad , it can't be accidental.

You can still get to it via normal means. You don't have to use the desktop site. What you do is go to facebook.com, check the "desktop site" option in the browser... page refreshes, you're in "mobile view" still (m.facebook.com), click messages icon.... now you're able to message people just fine. Works fine for me. I use Brave (which is not much different than Chrome on Android).

It's a clumsy experience but it works.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by user5994461 » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:58 PM UTC

theelfismike wrote: post #302

smeyer wrote: post #259

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I just got back from a three week vacation, and the travel-specific site I used most was TripAdvisor. I also used a lot of sites not specific to travel (like google maps and reddit). Does TripAdivsor not qualify as a "major website about travel"? I don't actually know what share of travel-related web traffic they get, and I realize that Expedia and Priceline both own lots of other sites in the space.

TripAdvisor was owned by Expedia from 2004-2011

It's still part of the Expedia portfolio. There are a few brands whose stocks are listed separately.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by kazinator » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:58 PM UTC

clarry wrote: post #244

deminature wrote: post #240

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I stopped posting because of the whole thing about social media written in ink. I'm not posting something which may be held against me, or have me randomly shamed in the future because the nuance of my joke was lost in text. When I last posted in 2007, the internet seemed to be a much different, friendlier place. Facebook in 2007 was also mostly about friends, and not selling me stuff that it couldn't possibly know I…

It is frightening how the internet outrage culture is getting people fired and destroying their lives over some stupid tweet.

Unless they sit in the Oval Office; then they can tweet whatever they want.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by filmgirlcw » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:59 PM UTC

What will be interesting to observe is if this will correlate to usage. Anecdotally, it seems like it will -- but it's also possible that mobile usage of the proper app will simply yield to Messenger and that the desktop will be used other ways.

I will say that for myself, I still have Facebook on my phone but I do everything I can to use it as rarely as possible.

I should also add the caveat that because of the "public" nature of my former job (and to a certain extent, my current job), I have been unable to use Facebook like a normal person since late 2007 and so my investment in it as an actual social network is far less than might be the case for others, who like me, joined in college, and then saw it as a catalyst for lots of other things.