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Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by PurpleRamen »

istjohn wrote: post #112
sieveoferos wrote: post #93

This is not great reporting by the BBC. Most grievously, as others have mentioned, they don't mention the dosages this guy was taking. The important point to grasp behind all this concern over "supplements" is that there's no such thing as a supplement. Everything that's not a food is a drug. If something is not part of a human diet somewhere - i.e. if it's been extracted and refined significantly - then it's a drug.…

Strongly disagree. >This article is only interesting if you still conflate "green tea" with "natural" and "natural" with "safe". Green tea _is_ natural. And I conflate "consumed daily by millions of people for thousands of years without incident" with safe. Green tea is not an obscure herb like echinachea or ginko biloba. The idea that putting it in capsules would make it dangerous is not obvious at all. It sounds li…

> Green tea _is_ natural.

No it's not. Green Tea is a manmade liquid made from natural leafs. And those leafs are usually not eaten over a longer timeframe.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by detaro »

vorpalhex wrote: post #119
istjohn wrote: post #112

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Strongly disagree. >This article is only interesting if you still conflate "green tea" with "natural" and "natural" with "safe". Green tea _is_ natural. And I conflate "consumed daily by millions of people for thousands of years without incident" with safe. Green tea is not an obscure herb like echinachea or ginko biloba. The idea that putting it in capsules would make it dangerous is not obvious at all. It sounds li…

"All things are poison, and nothing is without poison, the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison." - Paracelsus Think about the amount of green tea (the plant) that you actually consume in a cup of tea. Even if it's loose tea and you've done a sloppy job, perhaps a few granules. Now imagine popping a couple of capsules packed with the stuff every day. All of a sudden your intake of something has spiked a f…

> It could be cinnamon and you'd have health consequences.

Funny that you picked that as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon#Toxicity

Same thing: tasty, used for ages, but problematic in large quantities.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by saalweachter »

raverbashing wrote: post #111
saalweachter wrote: post #90

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Yes, do not take vitamin D unless under the direction of a doctor. As a fat-soluble vitamin, it's not super difficult to poison yourself with it.

Max recommended dosage for adults: 100ug per day (4kUI) with some places suggesting 250ug https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D#Suggested_t... Typical supplement dosages: from 5ug to 25ug So no, unless you eat Vit D supplement like candy you won't have a problem

Without knowing your deficiency, you're either taking a comically meaningless dose (why even bother to take a 5ug dose if you're at a 250ug deficiency?) or risking overdose by swamping your system with the 250ug over the counter pills while not actually being deficient.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #157
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #131

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Then maybe the RDA is just wrong. If we can't eat enough healthy food to sustain us without becoming obese, then the numbers are wrong. I mean, how could we have possibly made it as long as we have as a species if we are only now realizing that we can't eat enough good foods to be healthy???

This seems like an example of the naturalistic fallacy. Why assume that food with the optimally healthy composition of nutrients exists in nature? People can survive just fine without being maximally healthy.

I didn't say "maximally healthy". It is, however, rather obvious that we were healthy and able to last this long and THUS the foods we had to consume gave us what we needed without having to take supplements.

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Post by illiac_1962 »

IloveHN84 wrote: post #105
illiac_1962 wrote: post #64

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Post your entire diet. Then we can talk.

I eat mainly home-made food, using fresh vegetables and fruit, using as less as possible deep-frozen or ready-made food. My only drug that I cannot refuse are sweets. Chocolate above all, so i take my daily dose of sweet. Alcohol is approximately ~0.5L of beer on Saturdays, when going out to eat, sometimes a glass or two of wine. At home I don't drink alcohol, only when at big occasions such as Easter and Xmas. What…

Bread products? Amount of added sugar per day?

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by nonce725 »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #161
istjohn wrote: post #112

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Strongly disagree. >This article is only interesting if you still conflate "green tea" with "natural" and "natural" with "safe". Green tea _is_ natural. And I conflate "consumed daily by millions of people for thousands of years without incident" with safe. Green tea is not an obscure herb like echinachea or ginko biloba. The idea that putting it in capsules would make it dangerous is not obvious at all. It sounds li…

> Green tea _is_ natural. No it's not. Green Tea is a manmade liquid made from natural leafs. And those leafs are usually not eaten over a longer timeframe.

Not only this, but the levels of herbicides+pesticides in grocery-store brand teas is apparently terrible.

I've had a friend who worked at a chemical testing lab for a grocery chain who flat out stopped drinking tea - even organic certified - after running the tests for the client. Every single brand tested positive for quantities a trained biochemist wasn't comfortable with.

I can't imagine how bad concentrated extracts are.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by nonce725 »

logfromblammo wrote: post #144
bunderbunder wrote: post #140

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I'm envisioning an offshoot of Paleo where you really do spend all your time hunting and gathering.

Paleo Survival MMO game. All players are required to use an omnidirectional treadmill for movement control, and your nutrition for the day is determined by the resource nodes you harvest. You have to form raid parties and take down whales, mammoths, bison, razorbacks, or aurochs in order to get larger quantities of meat. If you die in the game, you are required to donate one unit of whole blood, and will suffer a cri…

Sync up player movements to a humanoid robot and have the killed animal sold to a meat processor.

You could create a drone flight simulator with a Pokemon UI to "capture" the animal and return it.

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