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Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Scroll down to "Popular posts" here[1] to know exactly what kind of site this is. 1. https://gab.com/popular

Doesn't look that much different than Facebook, honestly. Most posts look pretty normal.

Picture of cat, picture of eagle, JEWS ARE DESTROYING AMERICA, picture of cat, picture of dog, THE BOMBER IS A FALSE FLAG, picture of dog, LOOK AT THIS HORDE OF MUSLIMS COMING TO DESTROY US, picture of house

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

#112
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You just seem like a parody right now. (a) Why did you turn this into a left/right issue ? (b) How is Paypal left ? (c) Since when is the left the only one responsible for censorship or ToS enforcement. Because many examples exist today where centrists and the right do this as well.

Web platforms are censoring right wing conservatives. Which web platforms are censoring the left?

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Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Gab is a free speech platform. Free speech != white supremacist

Alt-right conspiracy nuts != free speech.

Gab may have a large number of alt-right conspiracy nuts, but they also have a lot of users who rightfully mock those nutty people. It really is a platform for pure free speech. Unfortunately, its polarization was inevitable as Twitter and Reddit started cracking down on far-right users, leaving only pure free speech websites left for the crazies. But suggesting the website itself condones violence or sympathizes with neo-Nazis isn't accurate.

Per tptacek's comments, the founder does appear to be an asshole, but that doesn't make him a neo-Nazi.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Most people who believe in free speech only believe in freedom for their speech. That's just the way people are. Extremists cry foul that their free speech rights are being violated or that they're being censored but within their own groups they would quickly stamp out opposing ideas or criticism.

They do this because they see words as weapons to be used against their enemies, nothing more. It’s not that they believe in freedom of speech incompletely. They just know that freedom of speech is something other people care about, and it can be used as a rhetorical weapon. “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to c…

I don't understand what you're trying to claim. Are you suggesting the owners of Gab are anti-Semitic?

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Could you say more about the Gab-YC connection?

Torba had an unrelated YC startup during the batch that was running during the 2016 election season. He was ejected from YC for harassing batch-mates; there's an HN thread about it you can find in the search bar. He started Gab at just about the same time as he was kicked out of YC.

> He was ejected from YC for harassing batch-mates; there's an HN thread about it you can find in the search bar

This?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12934388

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

#116
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Doesn't look that much different than Facebook, honestly. Most posts look pretty normal.

Picture of cat, picture of eagle, JEWS ARE DESTROYING AMERICA, picture of cat, picture of dog, THE BOMBER IS A FALSE FLAG, picture of dog, LOOK AT THIS HORDE OF MUSLIMS COMING TO DESTROY US, picture of house

I don't know, I signed up after reading about the ban, but I didn't have the impression of really heavy posts.

Facebook comments and posts are just as random, and Voat is definitely worse.

Not worth a ban from PayPal, for sure.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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I see. Dare to disagree with Thomas Ptacek and you get shadow banned?

I think you're confusing the fact that people have repeatedly argued that Gab isn't white supremacist twitter with the notion that it has somehow been established that it isn't. But, of course, it is. Even Voat has better bona fides than Gab. Later It's probably not just a coincidence that every time this comes up on HN, there's a Popehat thread about Gab at the same time. Here's Ken today with a telling citation to…

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Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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In most countries, yes. But illegality is not the issue here. People simply have a right not to be associated with hate.

> a right not to be associated with hate This is neither a right in any theoretical system of human rights I've seen, nor is there any practical way to disassociate people from a basic human emotion.

Free association implies the freedom to not associate. You can’t make people be associated with hate groups.

Also, don’t be cute about “hate”. We aren’t talking about the human emotion and you know it.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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They do this because they see words as weapons to be used against their enemies, nothing more. It’s not that they believe in freedom of speech incompletely. They just know that freedom of speech is something other people care about, and it can be used as a rhetorical weapon. “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to c…

I don't understand what you're trying to claim. Are you suggesting the owners of Gab are anti-Semitic?

I’m suggesting that people who cry “freedom of speech” when others won’t do business with them, while simultaneously suppressing dissent among their own ranks, are using it as a rhetorical weapon rather than as a principle they follow but I completely.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Doesn't look that much different than Facebook, honestly. Most posts look pretty normal.

Picture of cat, picture of eagle, JEWS ARE DESTROYING AMERICA, picture of cat, picture of dog, THE BOMBER IS A FALSE FLAG, picture of dog, LOOK AT THIS HORDE OF MUSLIMS COMING TO DESTROY US, picture of house

It is much saner looking today (not that it looks sane); again, posting traffic on Gab pages seems to have plummeted. A year or two ago, the whole front page was racist and anti-Semitic memes. Oh, and of course, picture of cat, picture of eagle, picture of house.
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