America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away • Hacker News Board

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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Post by howlgram » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 12:52 AM UTC

CodeMage wrote: post #368

DataWorker wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not judging you. You came here because you had personal desires that, noble or not, were not fulfilled. And you will leave for that same reason. That seems like pretty common human behavior to me and so I make no judgements about your morals, but I will point out that a less selfish way of seeing the world might lead you to ask yourself how you can have a positive impact and make your new home a better place. Per…

> I’m not judging you. Again, I might be wrong, but every time I've read or heard the word "selfish", it was always used as a judgment. > ask yourself how you can have a positive impact and make your new home a better place I was under the impression that having a discussion about how to improve things with a group of people who might be in a better position than average to help improve them was also a way of working…

> as well as citizens of other countries where capitalism has advanced to similar extremes, seem to view things with a sense of "personal responsibility" rather than collective or communal responsibility.

that's wrong, what you are referring to is "individualism vs collectivism", there's definitely very developed countries who favor collectivism, the perfect example is Japan.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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Post by malandrew » Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 8:52 PM UTC

ojbyrne wrote: post #59

malandrew wrote: post #40

One thing that is incorrect here is how the Republican position on immigration is portrayed. They want comprehensive immigration reform that specifically allows skilled immigrants to come to the US, do away with the lottery system and eliminate exemptions for those that broke immigration laws. Basically, most Republicans would prefer a system that is more like Canada's or Switzerland's, where you need to earn your wa…

That page references John Boehner and Mitt Romney, who don’t have any influence in Republican policy anymore. The current administration has repeatedly demonstrated their antipathy to legal immigration.

The current administration as far as I can tell is trying to force Democrats to the table to get comprehensive immigration reform that includes the things I listed above.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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Post by fraudsyndrome » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 6:15 AM UTC

thedaemon wrote: post #255

slothtrop wrote: post #209

Hire graduates and train them, problem solved. Cheap immigrant labor is a case of employers having their cake and eating it too. The vast majority of these jobs aren't that challenging, hence the immigrants. They're mostly looking for monkeys, not 10x devs.

It's always lunacy to me when junior job positions require X amount of years experience. That's just not possible.

Late reply. But in Australia this is seen as 'okay' as generally the entry level job is to go the graduate role route which requires zero experience.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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Post by thedaemon » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:28 PM UTC

merpnderp wrote: post #357

thedaemon wrote: post #257

We could recover from needing skilled immigrants if we would educate our population for free like most of the world. We still only allow rich or lucky people to receive high level educations. How can we complain about skilled labor when we make no effort to create said skilled laborers?

Why would you think only rich or lucky people can go to college in the US? With grants and student loans pretty much anyone can go to college that wants to. And at my local state university, where tuition is a mere $5k/year, lower income kids make up over 90% of the student body. Yet my area has a gross shortage of skilled trade labor. Want an electrician, prepare to wait 6 months. Need concrete poured at your house?…

Because it has been my experience. I personally was able to do 2 years of college but the student loans killed me after I wasn't able to get a high paying job. I love when they take money out of my paycheck. Most people have to work for a living, especially poor people. They cannot afford to not have an income, to just go to school... You are talking about lower middle class kids, not poor people. If you've never been poor don't assume you know anything about it.

Also a student loan is how you claim the poor can go to college. But I stated that most countries have free schooling. Being poor then immediately adding debt doesn't help yourself at all. Perhaps you should go hang out with some poor people and hear it straight from the source. Not trying to be rude or anything, as you make good points about skilled labor.