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Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#61
post #32

Good grief! Why not drink green tea if you're interested in the positive effects of green tea? Apart from its positive effects it's a fantastic drink.

Umm because the studies that showed positive effects were not from drinking green tea but from concentrated supplements.

You are ignoring the most comprehensive studies. Population analysis. There are populations that drink green tea regularly as a matter of tradition. Thats how this shit was discovered in the first place.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#62

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I think everyone understands that plenty of things in nature are poisonous or dangerous in other ways. But it's also reasonable to trust our intuition that food is generally better - i.e., more easily digested and more nutritionally complete - the closer it is to its natural form. In the linked article, the supplement in question was was far from natural; it was highly refined and concentrated. So the cause of the da…

I would recommend reading the book to find out the plant in question and why you would be killed.... :-)

Care to share a spoiler? :-)

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#63

If I recall correctly, the tea plant is great at taking up certain heavy metals from the soil. Quick search turned up something https://www.scribd.com/doc/24451227/Analysis-of-Heavy-Metals... Lead, Mercury, arsenic, aluminium, copper. Could be a concern?

Yep. If you research green tea throughly this comes up as a major concern leading one to learn that it is very difficult to obtain any green tea that is free of toxins. Supposedly one of the best was regular Lipton tea bags.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#64

I'm in a holding pattern to since more than 6 weeks now because of increased values of the liver. No alcohol, no smoke, always trying to be fit with 3x week sport. Became suddenly yellow, done the liver-biopsy, nothing came out and still with high liver values (GPT, GOT). None of doctors have a fucking idea of what I have. Done all tests against all the kind of Hepatitis, but all of them were negative.

Post your entire diet. Then we can talk.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#65
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Umm because the studies that showed positive effects were not from drinking green tea but from concentrated supplements.

Absolutely not true at all.

How many studies should I show you that use green tea _extract_, not green tea?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30174618

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29429153

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28904061

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28585735

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27806972

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27062963

etc.

Even studies with just "Green Tea" in their titles use green tea extracts: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27797683

It's obvious that the public would not be interested in green tea without all the studies using concentrated green tea extracts.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#66
post #59

Thank you for posting this article. It gave me pause for thought. I have been taking a green tea supplement occasionally. I saw it in a vitamin store, and bought it because of the supposed benefits of antioxidants. I figured - I have a stressful job, I live in a polluted city and do drink alcohol - I probably need the antioxidants. Plus, something that's made out of green tea sounds safe, not likely do any harm, righ…

The general rule is: You don't need supplements. Period. That's because supplements provide (or are supposed to provide) trace elements that you need, but you only need a little bit of it. Like minerals and certain vitamins etc. The thing is - you basically need the same (trace) amount of it, whatever your lifestyle is. And you get it through eating a normal varied diet (e.g. a little meat, vegetables, some fish and…

Long-time swimmer here. Without extra magnesium, I will get spasms in my legs from time to time while exercising. With extra magnesium, I don't.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#67

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I would recommend reading the book to find out the plant in question and why you would be killed.... :-)

Care to share a spoiler? :-)

The author, a junior doctor at the time, later acts the consultant what plant he was referring to and the consultant says "a water lily".

I think the consultant in question had a bit of a thing about people consuming large quantities of "natural" products and being surprised that this could make them quite ill and indulged in a bit of a rant.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#68
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Umm because the studies that showed positive effects were not from drinking green tea but from concentrated supplements.

You are ignoring the most comprehensive studies. Population analysis. There are populations that drink green tea regularly as a matter of tradition. Thats how this shit was discovered in the first place.

Compared to hundreds of studies about green tea extracts, many of them reported by the media, those population-wide studies had minimal effects on the public. And even those studies would usually find the largest effects on people who drink impractically large amounts of green tea, e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3103781/ or http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/722554/relationship-betwee... (6 cups per day!). In addition, there are many confounding factors with population-wide studies compared to clinical studies.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#69
post #29

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If you want a weight loss tablet that can kill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dinitrophenol Seems to kill a couple of people a month in the UK.

Why can't people just eat a bit less and do some exercise? It's not rocket science.

Because many people have poor impulse control and it's not nearly as easy as you present. If it were, many fewer people would have issues with obesity. It's not as if those people don't know why they are overweight.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#70
post #66
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The general rule is: You don't need supplements. Period. That's because supplements provide (or are supposed to provide) trace elements that you need, but you only need a little bit of it. Like minerals and certain vitamins etc. The thing is - you basically need the same (trace) amount of it, whatever your lifestyle is. And you get it through eating a normal varied diet (e.g. a little meat, vegetables, some fish and…

Long-time swimmer here. Without extra magnesium, I will get spasms in my legs from time to time while exercising. With extra magnesium, I don't.

I used to be a competition bicyclist - daily training sessions of hours and hours. If you don't get enough magnesium, look at your diet. With normal healthy food you should get more than enough.
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