Became suddenly yellow, done the liver-biopsy, nothing came out and still with high liver values (GPT, GOT). None of doctors have a fucking idea of what I have. Done all tests against all the kind of Hepatitis, but all of them were negative.
Green tea supplements ruined my liver
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Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver
#22In This is Going to Hurt: Secret Diaries of a Junior Doctor (strongly recommended) there is a part where a consultant has a rant about "natural not meaning safe" and mentions a plant in his garden that would kill you if you sat under it for ten minutes...
But it's also reasonable to trust our intuition that food is generally better - i.e., more easily digested and more nutritionally complete - the closer it is to its natural form.
In the linked article, the supplement in question was was far from natural; it was highly refined and concentrated.
So the cause of the damage in this case was not from consuming a natural product, but from taking a highly _unnatural_ product.
If he'd just had ordinary green tea (i.e., dried tea leaves steeped in water) once or twice a day, as millions of people have done for many generations, this would not have happened.
Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver
#23Good grief! Why not drink green tea if you're interested in the positive effects of green tea? Apart from its positive effects it's a fantastic drink.
I wish we knew the equivalent amount of green tea he was taking.
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#25https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-10-adding-refined-fiber-...
Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver
#26Good grief! Why not drink green tea if you're interested in the positive effects of green tea? Apart from its positive effects it's a fantastic drink.
I wish we knew the equivalent amount of green tea he was taking.
Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver
#27Did anyone else see a dosage that he was actually taking for these green tea supplements? It seems to be missing from the article but is arguably the most important point. Anything is poisonous to the body in high enough doses. Does the producer of these capsules (apparently Vitacost) specify a maximum dosage? If so, was Jim exceeding this recommendation? Or well under it? Come on BBC.
There is no 'dosage', because—as mentioned in the article—these capsules are classified as food, not medicine: > What is it about green tea supplements that might cause harm at certain doses to some people? Scientists do not know for certain. Because green tea has been drunk for thousands of years, supplements consisting of its concentrated form are regulated in the US and Europe as foods, not medicines. That means t…
Dose makes the poison, some people are capable of handling more, and some less.
Tea, among other things, has caffeine in it, and enough caffeine will kill you, but other than in pill form, you’ll likely not manage to get to the threshold because you’ll start vomiting way earlier.
It’s possible that there are other compounds harmful at high concentration. And of course, it’s not unthinkable that some of his pills were contaminated with something more dangerous.
But the dosage alone in some cases may explain enough of the damage.
Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver
#28Did anyone else see a dosage that he was actually taking for these green tea supplements? It seems to be missing from the article but is arguably the most important point. Anything is poisonous to the body in high enough doses. Does the producer of these capsules (apparently Vitacost) specify a maximum dosage? If so, was Jim exceeding this recommendation? Or well under it? Come on BBC.
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#29I remember about Hydroxycut, another weight loss pill from old days. That was recalled due to liver damage. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3952288/
Seems to kill a couple of people a month in the UK.
Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver
#30In This is Going to Hurt: Secret Diaries of a Junior Doctor (strongly recommended) there is a part where a consultant has a rant about "natural not meaning safe" and mentions a plant in his garden that would kill you if you sat under it for ten minutes...
I think everyone understands that plenty of things in nature are poisonous or dangerous in other ways. But it's also reasonable to trust our intuition that food is generally better - i.e., more easily digested and more nutritionally complete - the closer it is to its natural form. In the linked article, the supplement in question was was far from natural; it was highly refined and concentrated. So the cause of the da…