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Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#51
post #32

Good grief! Why not drink green tea if you're interested in the positive effects of green tea? Apart from its positive effects it's a fantastic drink.

Umm because the studies that showed positive effects were not from drinking green tea but from concentrated supplements.

Absolutely not true at all.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#52
post #29
post #11

I remember about Hydroxycut, another weight loss pill from old days. That was recalled due to liver damage. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3952288/

If you want a weight loss tablet that can kill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dinitrophenol Seems to kill a couple of people a month in the UK.

Why can't people just eat a bit less and do some exercise? It's not rocket science.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#53
post #3

Did anyone else see a dosage that he was actually taking for these green tea supplements? It seems to be missing from the article but is arguably the most important point. Anything is poisonous to the body in high enough doses. Does the producer of these capsules (apparently Vitacost) specify a maximum dosage? If so, was Jim exceeding this recommendation? Or well under it? Come on BBC.

Not only that, this guy obviously has serious genetic issues. He is sickly.

The proven use is green tea... Not concentrated catechin powder. Good luck getting your hands on that without ingesting heavy metals or other toxins. All of this comes up when researching green tea.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#54
There are at least two big problems with supplements in the US: Their benefits and potential harm have not been evaluated by a rigorous scientific process, and it wouldn't matter if they had been because the potency, quality, and purity of their ingredients is almost entirely unregulated.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#55
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish we knew the equivalent amount of green tea he was taking.

Must be an awful lot... Why do people when they read ‘x is good for you’ or ‘x might cure y’ go completely overboard. We had these ‘fasting might help prevent Alzheimer’ and the articles contain something about 24 hours low calory etc; then I read HN and Reddit and see people, responding to the article, doing 2 weeks water fast saying it is da bomb. There was an article about coffee preventing (...) liver cancer; peo…

There's only one word that wants to make me yell at my flat screen more than super food

And that would be influencer

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#56
post #11

I remember about Hydroxycut, another weight loss pill from old days. That was recalled due to liver damage. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3952288/

There is a chance that Hydroxycut was actually something good overall. There were 23 reported cases of serious health problems and apparently one death. Maybe we can triple that, as not every case will be reported. But this has to be compared to the negative effects of consuming something common, e.g. coffee. There were a million units sold each year and assuming it was effective in reducing fat among a percentage of overweight people, the lifespan of an average user might have easily increased, not to mention the quality of life. I don't think this would convince the public or the regulators of course.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxycut

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#57
post #3

Did anyone else see a dosage that he was actually taking for these green tea supplements? It seems to be missing from the article but is arguably the most important point. Anything is poisonous to the body in high enough doses. Does the producer of these capsules (apparently Vitacost) specify a maximum dosage? If so, was Jim exceeding this recommendation? Or well under it? Come on BBC.

I'd be surprised if it was anything other than the "dosage" stated on the box. Do people actually take more than the recommended dosage in the belief that the supplement will be even better for them? I guess it's possible but surely that would be newsworthy in and of itself if that were the case in this instance.

Yes, because it is very costly and difficult to get high amounts of the active ingredient that people are desperately seeking for their magical weight loss pill. People are dropping stupid amounts of green tea pills every day.

I chased all this shit until I got sick of it and adopted a whole foods plant based diet. No more added sugar or refined, processed crap. Weight dropped like crazy and I walk around literally euphoric compared to before. Same for my wife. No counting calories, no fad diets, no insane excersize schedule, no supplements other than iodide (seaweed), L-Glutamine, and top grade certified fish oil with vitamin D. Those are universally accepted supplements recognized and used widely in the medical community and are not nesseaary accept it is very expensive and time consuming to acquire and eat the amount of food required to get optimal levels.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#58
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Study on the effects of EGCG on diabetic mice: https://www.nature.com/articles/srep40617 "In conclusion, despite of its well known favorable effects, EGCG could paradoxically exhibit nephro-toxic effect in the presence of diabetes"

Seems especially dangerous in the case of a "weight loss" supplement where the people taking it might have some early form of weight-related diabetes and not even know it yet.

Yeah...the second I saw his Pic I knew this guy was a mess. At that age with a history of American diet he had to be primed with serious health issues. Can't excersize that away.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#59

Thank you for posting this article. It gave me pause for thought. I have been taking a green tea supplement occasionally. I saw it in a vitamin store, and bought it because of the supposed benefits of antioxidants. I figured - I have a stressful job, I live in a polluted city and do drink alcohol - I probably need the antioxidants. Plus, something that's made out of green tea sounds safe, not likely do any harm, righ…

The general rule is: You don't need supplements. Period.

That's because supplements provide (or are supposed to provide) trace elements that you need, but you only need a little bit of it. Like minerals and certain vitamins etc. The thing is - you basically need the same (trace) amount of it, whatever your lifestyle is. And you get it through eating a normal varied diet (e.g. a little meat, vegetables, some fish and seafood when you can, some (unprocessed) grains). So when do you not get enough of it? When you don't eat much food, or not enough of certain kinds of foods. Say, if you are a vegan with a sedentary life style. You're simply not getting enough of the trace elements through the restricted type of food you eat. If you're an athlete and you're also a vegetarian then you don't actually need food supplements at all - you're eating a lot of food due to the energy requirements and you'll get enough of it. Think Roman gladiator - they were vegetarians. No supplements needed.

For some reason a lot of people think that you need supplements if you excercise a lot, while it's in reality the other way around.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

#60
post #59

Thank you for posting this article. It gave me pause for thought. I have been taking a green tea supplement occasionally. I saw it in a vitamin store, and bought it because of the supposed benefits of antioxidants. I figured - I have a stressful job, I live in a polluted city and do drink alcohol - I probably need the antioxidants. Plus, something that's made out of green tea sounds safe, not likely do any harm, righ…

The general rule is: You don't need supplements. Period. That's because supplements provide (or are supposed to provide) trace elements that you need, but you only need a little bit of it. Like minerals and certain vitamins etc. The thing is - you basically need the same (trace) amount of it, whatever your lifestyle is. And you get it through eating a normal varied diet (e.g. a little meat, vegetables, some fish and…

You don't need anything... if lab results suggest nutrients and hormones are all in range.
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