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America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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> If you set a quota and give to the highest bidder, you're going to see private sector executives, lawyers, and financial roles being filled in cities with high costs of living and competitive wages. Yes, that's the point. Skilled labor immigration is for skilled labor . It should not by a subsidy to companies that cannot afford to pay prevailing wages and/or are unwilling to invest in their workforce. > This will d…

> As for rural America, there's a reason these areas > can't attract companies or talent. Look, I don't want to live in a remote shit-hole either, but... The fact that the concerns of rural communities are summarily dismissed when making policy was one of the big contributing factors to the election victories of both Brexit and Trump. (Possibly more due to resentment rather than as a rational response, but that's irr…

> The fact that the concerns of rural communities are summarily dismissed when making policy was one of the big contributing factors to the election victories of both Brexit and Trump

Do you think that an influx of underpaid skilled labor is going to ease the tensions that created Brexit and Trump?

Your assertion here appears to be that Trump voters were pissed off that more immigrants weren't making it to their hometowns. I find that assertion... highly implausible.

> Policy that lets the economic advantage of urban areas snowball more is something that should be given more thought than "it wouldn't matter anyways, those places suck."... Those places do suck, but we should treat that as a problem to be addressed rather than avoided.

Oy.

1. IMO they don't suck. They have many advantages. But they aren't particularly good locations for doing highly skilled labor.

2. There are a lot of policy levers that can be used to help rural areas. Trying to turn them into immigration-fueled discount tech/med hubs is doomed to fail and is therefore definitely not the right lever.

3. It's also worth noting that even rural economic development tends to be geographically concentrated. Just as wealth concentrates in cities with 10M people compared to cities with 100,000 people, wealth also concentrates in cities with 100,000 people compared to cities with 1,000 people. And BTW, those 100,000 person towns where skilled labor would invariably concentrate are in many cases already doing quite well.

Even rural development -- and ESPECIALLY rural development based on skilled labor immigration -- isn't going to help the rural places that have been hardest hit in the past two decades, which tend to be in the 1,000 to 10,000 range.

The argument isn't that policy should benefit urban America. The argument is that trying to bootstrap tiny local economies with skilled labor immigration is doomed to fail.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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If you are born in India H1b = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude

You pay all the taxes with no hope of ever getting any of the benefits, your employee pretty much owns you, if get disabled or sick you need to go back to your country. Does not matter what position and what company you worked for, it does not matter how much taxes you have paid.

Greencard backlogs for H1b is also enabling Indian run sweat shop consultancies(crooks) that cram 20-30 immigrant fresh grads in a New Jersey home and apply for all and every IT every job out there. They blatantly make their indentured servants lie in the resume, they basically own them by controlling their h1b visas.

This is driving down wages for everyone. Indentured servants don't ask for a raise

Americas need for immigrants isn't going away nor is it's abuse of Immigrants

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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That page references John Boehner and Mitt Romney, who don’t have any influence in Republican policy anymore. The current administration has repeatedly demonstrated their antipathy to legal immigration.

Cite please. The current administration has never done anything to show antipathy to legal immigration, the first lady is a legal immigrant as are her parents.

> as are her parents

Uh, 'chain migration'?

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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Immigration is a complex topic.

Putting all other issues aside positive and negative, if you turned off the foreign immigration tap, the people in power (corporations) would be screaming at Washington to fix American education system so they could actually find qualified candidates. In that would be a lot of value.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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I just wish it was reciprocated. I would like to work in Spain (no really). If I work in Spain, the US should open a spot for someone from Spain to work in the US. You want to hire someone from Turkey? No problem, find someone in the US to move to Turkey. You could allow companies to even grease the wheels, "Work from Turkey and get a 30k / year extra free bonus stipend!! yay!!"

Personally I would like to see freedom of movement in trade agreements. Goods and capital can already flow freely - letting labor do so as well would be more free and have potential to make the workforce something competed for more as well. Companies can already outsource so letting people flow with less artificial resistance (as opposed to natural like language and cultural barriers) seems both fair and efficient. G…

You just invented the European Union :)

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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My intuition is that H1B and similar programs hurt my personal compensation as a domestic provider of skilled labor. My reasoning is that less supply of skilled labor should result in increased cost - which gets paid to me. I understand it's better for the companies and perhaps the economy as a whole to import labor, but it seems worse for me. Is there research on this subject or something I'm missing?

Aggregating talent has the effect of creating things that couldn't exist on their own. You don't know where your next co-founder is going to be from. You know you're going to be competing worldwide with other founders anyway so you want the best co-founder you can find next to you. He may be abroad. You want him here so you can meet him.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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EU folks can work any where in the EU right? I wonder how it is working out

Mostly... brexit is how it worked out.

Only after an influx of economic migrants. Without that influx of migrants, I don't think most of the pro brexit people would have been concerned about the free movement of people within Europe.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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This is a common misunderstanding. Trump has attacked through policy legal immigration far more than illegal immigration. https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-commentary/trumps-attack...

There's literally no point in trying to support a position like this with a left wing policy blog.

There's no point trying to argue if everything is just getting labeled, instead of the underlying facts and ideas getting discussed.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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I don't know. If you're paying 20x what a civil engineer gets then you might as well go with E5 Investor Visas. Its true that auctions have issues, but we could go with (for example) second price (aka Vickrey) auctions for salaries.

How you would think the E5 is a substitute for an H1B is beyond me. A business isn't going to pay their executive to found and work at an entirely different business, especially if it jeopardizes the business's ability to sponsor future visas with USCIS.

EB-5 has nothing to do with founding and working at a different business. USCIS allows applicants to invest into EB-5 Regional Centers, which are essentially funds that would not require you to work there or start any new business. If an investment is made into a TEA, the capital requirements drop to $500, 000. Its effectively a for sale green card. If you are a sufficiently important executive, $500, 000 is chump change to ensure you can stay in the United States indefinitely.

I'm not sure why you are turning to hostilities. Please review the legislation.

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