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America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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I do not typically post, but these suggestions seem like genuine improvements to the existing system: "Kerr suggests allocating H-1Bs not by lottery as they are now, but by salary — the more that a company is willing to pay for a foreign worker, the quicker they can get a visa." "A second change would be to allow H-1B workers to apply for permanent residency green cards on their own, without having to be sponsored by…

So you want only the rich and privileged to be allowed into the USA? I find this highly negative.

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This is the sort of generic flamewar tangent that we're trying to avoid on this site. Hopping to the nearest inflammatory talking point is the quickest way to send a thread up in tedious, nasty flames, so can you please not post like that here?

Most of the thread is managing to stay focused on the specifics of this article. Please emulate that instead.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

#103

My intuition is that H1B and similar programs hurt my personal compensation as a domestic provider of skilled labor. My reasoning is that less supply of skilled labor should result in increased cost - which gets paid to me. I understand it's better for the companies and perhaps the economy as a whole to import labor, but it seems worse for me. Is there research on this subject or something I'm missing?

Less H1Bs could also mean less innovation and higher costs for software products. Or in the best case, transferred overseas. It could also mean more competition for the fewer jobs in your local economy.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably, the salary (and price in general) is measure of marginal utility. Hence if one job pays 140, 000 over 70, 000 we can argue that the one that pays more provides more marginal utility to society. That is, the United States as a whole gains more value from that job.

Or you could argue that the U.S. gains more from allowing 20 lower-paid civil engineers than allowing 1 private sector executive buy their H1B. The point is that switching to an auction with the H1B causes more problems without really solving any, at least within the scope of the program's purpose.

I don't know.

If you're paying 20x what a civil engineer gets then you might as well go with E5 Investor Visas. Its true that auctions have issues, but we could go with (for example) second price (aka Vickrey) auctions for salaries.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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A Harvard business school professor who doesn't want borders as a way to unlock that final piece of mythical economic gain? What a shocker.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? Most of all on divisive topics.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

#106

I do not typically post, but these suggestions seem like genuine improvements to the existing system: "Kerr suggests allocating H-1Bs not by lottery as they are now, but by salary — the more that a company is willing to pay for a foreign worker, the quicker they can get a visa." "A second change would be to allow H-1B workers to apply for permanent residency green cards on their own, without having to be sponsored by…

So you want only the rich and privileged to be allowed into the USA? I find this highly negative.

Having people immigrate who are guaranteed to be able to make their own way is not only NOT negative, it's written into the immigration policies of virtually every nation.

This is a separate argument from allowing economic refugees asylum into a country.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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I have a modest proposal to help with the need for skilled labor. Reject all skilled applicants for visa's. Only accept the unskilled and uneducated. If you have an advanced degree and specialty skills you are not allowed in and have to remain in your country of origin. If you get a visa to study in the US you have to return to be employed in your home country. I think this will have two primary effects. 1. It will c…

This is fine for the purpose you are outlining, but it completely neglects the fact that the primary reason people are emigrating from their home countries is seeking a better quality of life for themselves and/or their families. Closing the door to them shuts them out from this path.

Moreover, a lot of immigrants that arrive to the US end up having a greater impact on the world as a whole than they would or could have had in their home countries. This is the ideal scenarios of the sometimes true concept, "Land of Opportunity". I don't presume you are ignorant of this, but conditions in many other countries are worse for a lot of reasons.

My own anecdotal evidence: One of the main factors the lead to my own father's emigration from his home country was because the "old guard" at his university effectively blocked him from progressing any further lest it be a threat to their own established position. Arriving at in the US, he had no problem rising up to the top in the more merit-based system here and effecting major, positive change in his field.

So, as is the case with so many other issues, this one is not as cut-and-dry as your comment makes it out to be, and prevents a lot of other good from flourishing as well. There are not equal opportunities for world-benefiting success everywhere.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

#108

Emphasis on "skilled" and add "legal", please. We don't need more chicken pluckers - there's a machine that does that faster and cheaper.

But not a machine to affordably and accurately pick strawberries or citrus, or clean your house and office park. Let’s not pretend that the demand for relatively unskilled work isn’t very high, because the work is perceived to be beneath the dignity or price range or natives. It would be nice if we could benefit from the immigrants willing and able to do this hard and unpleasant work, without also castigating them fo…

gotocake says: "But not a machine to affordably and accurately pick strawberries or citrus":

https://www.bing.com/search?q=strawberry+picking+machine&for...

gotocake says: "this hard and unpleasant work":

http://whvaustralia.net/fruit-picking-hard/

Certainly we don't need to castigate anyone. But we don't need more (illegal or legal) unskilled immigrants taking jobs that will soon be supplanted entirely by automation. We need skilled professions: doctors, engineers, nurses and (God forbid) lawyers.

We'd be fine (indeed, we'd be better off) w/o _any_ of the 7,000-14,000 migrants headed toward the USA's southern border right now.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

#109

I do not typically post, but these suggestions seem like genuine improvements to the existing system: "Kerr suggests allocating H-1Bs not by lottery as they are now, but by salary — the more that a company is willing to pay for a foreign worker, the quicker they can get a visa." "A second change would be to allow H-1B workers to apply for permanent residency green cards on their own, without having to be sponsored by…

I just wish it was reciprocated. I would like to work in Spain (no really). If I work in Spain, the US should open a spot for someone from Spain to work in the US. You want to hire someone from Turkey? No problem, find someone in the US to move to Turkey. You could allow companies to even grease the wheels, "Work from Turkey and get a 30k / year extra free bonus stipend!! yay!!"

There’s obvious brain-drain problems. Turkey doesn’t want it’s smartest people moving and working here. Nor is it in the interest of the US for high skilled workers to go abroad.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

#110

I do not typically post, but these suggestions seem like genuine improvements to the existing system: "Kerr suggests allocating H-1Bs not by lottery as they are now, but by salary — the more that a company is willing to pay for a foreign worker, the quicker they can get a visa." "A second change would be to allow H-1B workers to apply for permanent residency green cards on their own, without having to be sponsored by…

I just wish it was reciprocated. I would like to work in Spain (no really). If I work in Spain, the US should open a spot for someone from Spain to work in the US. You want to hire someone from Turkey? No problem, find someone in the US to move to Turkey. You could allow companies to even grease the wheels, "Work from Turkey and get a 30k / year extra free bonus stipend!! yay!!"

This would be the extension of an already bad idea in the US immigration system that almost no other country shares. I can't think of another country that has this notion of per-country quotas.

Spain isn't interested in getting an American immigrant just because one of its nationals moved to the US.

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