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Why Are Americans Still Uncomfortable with Atheism?

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Re: Why Are Americans Still Uncomfortable with Atheism?

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"The reason that atheists were not allowed to testify in court for so long was the certainty that witnesses who were unwilling to swear an oath to God had no reason to be truthful, since they did not fear divine judgment."

Just a consideration: What if you believe in a God that has much more important things to do than punishing believers who break an oath in His/Her/Its name? I mean: being of such supreme intelligence, how can he/she/it not rather deal with things that are so far away from our intellectual understanding as it is for, say, a polyp to think about string theory?!

Re: Why Are Americans Still Uncomfortable with Atheism?

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even here on the left coast, I find it surprising how many people are unwilling to admit their atheism, out of some sense of social threat. I was talking to someone from the UK last week who I thought put it really well - what's happening in the US right now is the final throes of a generation who desperately wants to return to their mental image of the past, unwilling to see their own racist, xenophobic, self-absorb…

The weirdest part about all this is that Obama was deeply religious (though the black church is scary or something), but Trump is obviously an atheist. Yet they’re treated exactly the opposite by the evangelicals. It’s a bit of a mindfuck until you realize it’s not really about religion at all.

> but Trump is obviously an atheist.

I doubt this: he rather either believes that he is personally chosen by God or God himself. :-)

Re: Why Are Americans Still Uncomfortable with Atheism?

#33

That's like asking why atheists are still uncomfortable with religious faith and spirituality.

> That's like asking why atheists are still uncomfortable with religious faith and spirituality.

Because if you accept religious arguments, you can also perfectly argue using similar arguments that also the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) exists.

Re: Why Are Americans Still Uncomfortable with Atheism?

#34

I once had a long conversation with a religious relative, and I think it boils down to her not believing that someone can be "moral" without believing that god is watching. Somewhat relevant: Why Did God Create Atheists? There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is…

This passage and the article really spoke to me. I was raised in a strongly Catholic family in the US. I have since apostized from the Catholic church, but I still exist in that community. I know many people who are good solely because of their faith and that scares me. I am uncomfortable with individuals who offshore morality.

Okay, this was rambly, but my point is agree with your post, and I feel the effects of cultural Christianity in the US.

Re: Why Are Americans Still Uncomfortable with Atheism?

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even here on the left coast, I find it surprising how many people are unwilling to admit their atheism, out of some sense of social threat. I was talking to someone from the UK last week who I thought put it really well - what's happening in the US right now is the final throes of a generation who desperately wants to return to their mental image of the past, unwilling to see their own racist, xenophobic, self-absorb…

The weirdest part about all this is that Obama was deeply religious (though the black church is scary or something), but Trump is obviously an atheist. Yet they’re treated exactly the opposite by the evangelicals. It’s a bit of a mindfuck until you realize it’s not really about religion at all.

> Trump is obviously an atheist

Huh, I didn't realize Presbyterians were atheist...

Re: Why Are Americans Still Uncomfortable with Atheism?

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The weirdest part about all this is that Obama was deeply religious (though the black church is scary or something), but Trump is obviously an atheist. Yet they’re treated exactly the opposite by the evangelicals. It’s a bit of a mindfuck until you realize it’s not really about religion at all.

> but Trump is obviously an atheist. I doubt this: he rather either believes that he is personally chosen by God or God himself. :-)

There is only one god that trump worships, himself.

Re: Why Are Americans Still Uncomfortable with Atheism?

#37

That's like asking why atheists are still uncomfortable with religious faith and spirituality.

It could be that atheism is less passive. Someone who describes themselves as atheist has evaluated the situation and come to a conclusion.

I know a number of people, including in my family, that describe themselves as religious one way or another, despite the fact they don't actively participate in any religious practice even down to going to church at all.

We celebrate Christmas and Easter because tradition, and that seems to contribute to this passive religious-ness.

I personally don't care what other people believe in, because it rarely affects how I interact with them on a daily basis. Good luck to them. However, as an atheist I'm not really discomforted with religion and spirituality, it's more I find it an interesting phenomena; the blatant hypocrisy 'they' often display in claiming something is wrong or crazy in comparison to their chosen position (passively or otherwise). It points to a mental processing flaw; an inability to see logic when it threatens their world view. The human condition.

Re: Why Are Americans Still Uncomfortable with Atheism?

#39

I once had a long conversation with a religious relative, and I think it boils down to her not believing that someone can be "moral" without believing that god is watching. Somewhat relevant: Why Did God Create Atheists? There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is…

Reading the article, I started thinking of how to put my thoughts as clear as possible. But your quote is exactly that ! If history showed a long list of bad things made only by atheists while believers were only virtuous and kind, well, I could eventually understand. Sadly it’s not the case.

More happily, neither is the reverse.

Re: Why Are Americans Still Uncomfortable with Atheism?

#40

I once had a long conversation with a religious relative, and I think it boils down to her not believing that someone can be "moral" without believing that god is watching. Somewhat relevant: Why Did God Create Atheists? There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is…

> and I think it boils down to her not believing that someone can be "moral"

its interesting to note, that the concept of morality, is in fact, moored as a consensual hallucination as to what is good.

therefore, as an atheist, you might mimic a "cultural" sense of goodness; but since the intent is not from the same source -- you may not pretend to share it. Logically, you are immoral simply because you do not share the same inspiration. This is a direct consequence of "assuredness".

if you want it in mathematical format ;)

you have to look deeper than the act. Which is what, you are missing. It is not enough to be 'good' (as if some objective standard can be said to exist!); it is also important to be able to enunciate the impulse to 'goodness'; and further to assure the reliability of that impulse.

This is why atheism, is and always will be, a minority religion. You lack the one characteristic, that all other religions share. A framework.

That is not to say, btw, that organized religion is "better". As with everything, the intent and education/erudition of the practitioner, makes the difference in real effect.

> so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality.

... or self-interest/greed.

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